The Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Matthew 12:31-32

Alan Lewis
Elon, North Carolina
October 2010

Today, we want to look at one of the hard sayings of Jesus. Without question, this is one of the most difficult question Bible question to answer. What is the blasphemy of the Spirit?  I have received more feedback from this topic than from any other of my posts.  Many people have questions about this subject.  There are many myths about this sin. Even some Bible-believing Christians have said some crazy things about this.

Importance of the Topic

Some of these questions that will be raised here do not have definitive answers. The Bible simply does not answer all of the questions that we ask. This is a very controversial topic. Not all Christians agree on the topic. Some would say that this topic may cause divisions. Why should we even study it? There are two reasons why every Christian should study this topic.

One, it is a serious topic. It is not just part of the Word of God; it is an important part of the Word of God. Jesus said it was. This sin results in damnation. Don’t all sins result in damnation? Yes, but Jesus said that this sin is UNFORGIVABLE. All sins can be forgiven, except this one. Jesus said that anyone who commits this sin “will NOT be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:32).

He said that if you commit this sin you will “NEVER be forgiven” because you are “guilty of an eternal sin” (Mark 3:29). Jesus gives a very serious warning in this passage. This is one of the most solemn warnings that Jesus ever uttered. It is important theologically.

Two, it is a relevant topic.  Many people are worried that they have committed this sin.  It is important from a counseling standpoint people who are afraid that they have committed this sin and believe that they have no chance of being saved. This has practical value from a pastoral standpoint. It is not only important theologically, it is important pastorally. What do you say to people who feel guilty because they think that they have committed this sin and have no hope of salvation?

Let’s begin by looking at the historical background.  The sin is mentioned three times in the NT (Matthew 12:31-32; Mark 3:28-30; Luke 12:10). Matthew and Mark gives us the historical background to this situation. Luke takes the saying out of its historical background and records the saying by itself.

Luke has the exorcism of the demon by Jesus in one chapter and the statement about the blasphemy of the Spirit in another chapter but Matthew and Mark tell us exactly what led Jesus to give the warning about the blasphemy of the Spirit. Matthew gives us even more details than Mark.  This story has four parts of the story are as follows:

The Condition of the Man

This was a man who could not talk and could not see and was demon possessed (Matthew 12:22). He had multiple problems. He had multiple disabilities. He was like Helen Keller. In addition to that, he was demon possessed.  His problem was not just physical and medical but spiritual.  It was demonic in nature.

The Response of Jesus

Jesus supernaturally healed him in the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus instantly does three things for the man. He cast the demon out.  He gave him the ability to see and He gave him the ability to speak (Matthew 12:22).

The Reaction of the Crowd

The people were shocked. They were astonished. They thought that surely this must be the Messiah (Matthew 12:23). This was not just a case of Jesus casting out a demon possessed man. It was the case of Jesus casting out a demon-possessed man who was both blind and mute. Other Jews in the first century also performed some exorcisms. Jesus said they did (Matthew 12:27).

But, in order for them to do that, they had to find out the name of the demon in order to cast it out. If you can’t communicate with the man, there would be no way to cast out the demon. The Jews believed that this was something that only the Messiah would be able to do and now Jesus is doing it. That is why all of the people said, “Could this be the Son of David?” (Matthew 12:23).

The Response of the Leaders

Matthew mentions the Pharisees (12:24-25). Mark mentions the scribes (3:22).  The scribes were the teachers of the law.  They were very well educated.  These were the professional biblical scholars of the day and not just any scholars but the ones who came down from Jerusalem (Mark 3:22).  That is sixty three miles away. It would have been a four day trip.

They said, “It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons that this fellow drives out demons.” (Matthew 24:24). They did not question that Jesus healed the man but went right to the source of his power.  According to them, this supernatural power did not come from God but from Satan.

The Type of Sin Involved

1. This was a DELIBERATE sin

This is the biggest misunderstanding about this sin today.  Many worry if they committed it accidentally by a slip of the tongue.  This sin is NOT accidental or unintentional. It is deliberate, intentional. This was NOT a casual remark.  This is clear from the context.  This commented was intended to smear and slander the reputation of Jesus to prevent people from accepting him as the Messiah.

Matthew 12:34-34 says, “All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?” BUT WHEN THE PHARISEES HEARD THIS, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons that this fellow drives out demons.” The Pharisees were not happy that people were following Jesus. They did not want people to think that he was the Messiah. They intentionally said this to try to keep people from believing in Jesus.

2. This was a VERBAL sin.

It is NOT a sexual sin or some great moral depravity. The unpardonable sin is NOT premarital sex or adultery or homosexuality or incest. It is NOT a sin of violence (murder or suicide).  Contrary to some Baptists, the unpardonable sin is not divorce.  You can be outwardly moral, like the Pharisees, stay married to your spouse and still commit this sin.

The blasphemy of the Spirit was a verbal sin.  It involved saying some things. Some have denied this (e.g., Calvin) but the text backs this up.  Jesus says, “Anyone who SPEAKS a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who SPEAKS against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven”. He did not say that anyone who thinks bad thoughts about the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

That’s what the Scribes and Pharisees were doing. They were not just thinking bad thoughts. They were saying some things. Calvin is right that thoughts are involved. Jesus said that words are just an expression of your heart (Matthew 12:34).

This sin did NOT involve slandering the PERSON on the Holy Spirit. They didn’t curse the Holy Spirit. They did not even mention his name. It involved slandering the WORK of the Holy Spirit. This sin involved BLASPHEMY of the Spirit’s miraculous work.

They did not just say that Jesus’ teaching was a little off or that his miracles were not genuine.  They did not simply call Jesus a charlatan or a fraud. They said that His miracles were demonic in nature.  In fact, they did not just come from demons but from “the prince of demons” (Matthew 9:34; 24:24).  They said it not only came from demons but from the head demon.

The men who committed this sin were did this more than once (Matthew 9:32-34). This was not a careless word that was spoken one time in ignorance by people who did not know any better. Mark uses the imperfect tense in Greek and says this is what the Jewish leaders “were saying” (Mark 3:22, 30).  In Greek, the imperfect tense is usually used to show repeated and continuous action in the past and not an isolated act.

3. This was a DISHONEST sin.

Many today are worried that they have committed this sin out of ignorance.  The people who committed this sin in Jesus’ day knew the truth.  They saw Jesus perform this miracle and it was not the first time that he did it. He had done this kind of thing many times before. This was a case of willful unbelief in the face of undeniable evidence.

This was not the case of someone who does not have enough evidence to make a decision and makes the wrong decision. It was not a sin of ignorance.  These people had the evidence staring them in the face and they chose not to accept it. It was a case clearly of people who suppressed the truth.

It was said by men who hated Jesus.  They were not neutral.  They were not open minded.  They began with a bias against Jesus.  This sin was not motivated by ignorance but by hatred.

In fact, they did not just dislike Jesus or even hate Him.  They wanted to kill him and wanted to kill him (Matthew 12:9-14). There was an ulterior motive to this charge. They had absolutely no proof of this accusation and even knew that it was false.

4. It was a DAMNABLE sin

It was a sin that not only condemned to hell but was unforgivable.  This sin involved rejection of Christ.  It was the official rejection by the leaders of Jesus as the Messiah. The leaders say that Jesus is from Satan. They say that he is not the Messiah. Matthew 12 is a turning point in the life of Christ. It is a crucial incident in the Gospel of Matthew.

What the Pharisees said here was their way of rejecting Christ. The people asked, “Could this be the Son of David?” (Matthew 12:23) and this was their answer.

However, most people who reject Christ do not commit this sin. Most people who reject Christ do not think that he was demon possessed.  This sin did not just involve unbelief, it involved blasphemy. Many people reject Christ.  This sin is not just unbelief, it is extreme unbelief. It is the most extreme form of rejection. It involved slandering the works of the Holy Spirit.

Why is this Sin Unforgivable?

Is it the worst sin on the planet? No. How could blasphemy be the worst sin on the planet? Are verbal sins worse than moral sins? How could what you say be worse than what you do? It is not worse than nailing the Incarnate Son of God to the cross. It is not worse than worshiping an idol. It is not worse than incest or murder.

Is a sin that Jesus did not die for? No. The Bible says that Jesus died for all sins. I believe this sin is unforgivable, not because people do not repent but because they can’t repent. The Bible teaches that people can get to a point where repentance is IMPOSSIBLE (cf. Hebrews 6:4-6).

If repentance is impossible, then forgiveness and salvation is impossible. Since you can’t repent of it, you can’t be forgiven. It is unforgivable, not because God will never forgive you but because you will never ask for forgiveness and you will not ask because you can’t ask.

Why is sin against the Son forgivable but not blasphemy against the Spirit? That seems strange.  The only sin that is unforgivable is not a sin against Christ but a sin against the Holy Spirit. People can blaspheme Jesus (and call him a liar, deceiver, Sabbath breaker or a lunatic) and still be forgiven. Remember, before Paul became a Christian he said that he was a blasphemer (I Timothy 1:12-13).

Why would blasphemy against God the Son be something that CAN be forgiven, while blasphemy against God the Holy Spirit is something that CANNOT be forgiven? Why are crimes against the Son worse than crimes against the Spirit? Is the Spirit greater than the Son? Is the Son less important than the Spirit? No. They are all equal members of the Trinity. The Spirit is not greater than either the Father or the Son.

One common view is that the reason that the guilt of the Spirit is greater than the guilt of the Son is the Son is that the Son took the form of a servant and became a man. People might fail to recognize his true identity. The problem with this is that the Father also did not become a man, as Augustine pointed out.

My personal opinion is that this has something to do with the role of the Holy Spirit in salvation. It is the job of the Holy Spirit to bear witness to Christ and to convict the world “of sin, of righteous and of judgment” (John 16:8). Blasphemy of the Spirit removes a person from the sphere in which forgiveness is even possible.

The Holy Spirit’s job is to bring people to Christ. A person who blasphemes the Spirit is slandering and rejecting the only one who can lead them to a place of saving faith. How do you know if you have committed this sin? Only God would know.

However, if you accept Christ as Savior, that is proof that you have NOT committed the sin. Repentance would then be possible.  Anyone who wants to be saved has NOT committed this sin.[1]  Jesus promised that whoever comes to Him in genuine faith, he will never drive away (John 6:37).

Can this Sin be Committed Today?

There are two answers to this question. Some believe it can be committed today and some believe that the sin cannot be committed today. Let’s look at the first view.

Many believe that the sin cannot be committed today. The argument is that since Christ is not on the earth, casting out demons, people cannot commit this sin today. It is a very popular view in some circles to say that Jesus has to be on earth to commit this sin.

Many teach that this sin requires the physical presence of Christ on the earth. That is how the sin was being committed in the context of Matthew 12. The strength of this view is the historical context. The other view is that this sin can still be committed today.  The latter view is more likely for three reasons.

1) The language of the warning is general.

The language Jesus uses is quite general. “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who SPEAKS against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.” He does NOT say, “The person that says my power to perform miracles comes from Satan will never be forgiven.” That would be very specific but the language Jesus uses is very general.

The text does NOT say that the ONLY way that the sin can be committed is to attribute Christ’s miracle to Satan. That is what the Pharisees were doing but Jesus said “Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.” There is more than one way to speak against the Holy Spirit.

There is more than one way to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Some have blasphemed the Bible which is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Some have blasphemed the Virgin Birth or (in more proper terminology) the virginal conception, a pregnancy which took place because of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit overshadowed her.”

2) There is no timeline put on this warning

There is no indication from the text that some of the most solemn words that ever came out of his mouth ONLY apply for a period of three years or until 70 AD. There is no hint of that in the text. In fact, the general language of the passage supports the opposite viewpoint.

3) Other passages in the NT imply that the sin can still be committed today

The Book of Hebrews implies that this can still be committed. Hebrews 10:29 says that people can still insult the Spirit of Grace. Hebrews 6:4 says that there is a sin which people can commit today which makes repentance impossible.

3) This is NOT primarily a sin against Christ but a sin against the Holy Spirit

Since it is a sin against the Holy Spirit, it does not require the physical presence of Christ on the earth. The Holy Spirit is still at work in the world today and his person and work can still be blasphemed today. The early Christians performed miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, just like Jesus did. In fact, Jesus said that they would be able to do the very same miracles and even greater ones (John 14:12).

If people said the same thing about the miracles of Peter or Paul, would not the same thing apply? In fact, people today can still attribute the miracles of Christ to demons. They do not have to see the miracles. They can read about them in the pages of Scripture and say the same thing.

Can a Christian Commit this Sin?

The answer to this question is clearly No. There is universal agreement on this. Even John Calvin says this. The only example of anyone committing this sin was the Pharisees and they were unbelievers. Jesus called them “a brood of vipers” (Matthew 12:34). He called them evil (12:34).

We know that this warning applies to Christians for two reasons.

1) The warning is open to everyone.

Jesus said, “ANYONE (or whosoever) who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” Anyone means anyone (Jew, Gentile, Christian, saved or unsaved, male or female).

2) Luke’s account of the blasphemy of the Spirit (Luke 12:10) is not addressed to the Scribes and the Pharisees but to the disciples (Luke 12:1).

How can this apply to Christians, if they cannot commit the sin anyway? An analogy may help here. The Bible also warns the church about the dangers of apostasy (See the Book of Hebrews).

At the same time, it also teaches that a true believer cannot commit apostasy (cf. Hebrews 10:39; I John 2:19) but the warning is still given to believers. The lesson is for all of us to examine whether we are genuinely saved (II Corinthians 13:5).

1. John R. Rice, Dr. Rice, Here are More Questions…, vol II, 523.

201 Responses to The Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

  1. Gladys says:

    Hi all! I just wanted to ask a little question about Matthew 9:32-34.
    Before I ask I would like to point out that you are the only one to mention Matthew 9:32-34 in any article that I have read on this topic.

    Now as for my question, would you say that since in Matthew 9:32-34 the Pharisees basically did or I should say said the same thing they said in Matthew 12, but as you know in Matthew 9 Jesus doesn’t mention Blasphamy he doesn’t mention it till they do it again in Matthew 12, so would you say that Matthew 9 is proof that this isn’t just saying something one time, or slipping and saying soothing by accident but that it is a persistent thing?

    The reason I ask is because when I mention to my friends that this isn’t something that can happen if someone has a slip of the lip and say something by accident, or just some thought that they didn’t mean. They quote Matthew 12 telling me that we are condemned by our words, and that the bible doesn’t give acceptation to those who say or think it by accident.
    And I have no scripture to support my argument against them. I mean the bible doesn’t say if you didn’t mean it its ok. So I really cant argue with them.

    • admin says:

      Gladys:

      I would just point out to your friends that when Jesus talks about the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, He uses the imperfect tense in Greek which always means repeated action, not to an isolated act. They “were saying this”. I would also point them to Matthew 9 where this was done before, showing that it was not the first time that this was said. I would also point out to your friends who the ones were who said this and why they said it. It was said by the professional bible scholars of the day (the scribes) and it was not said out of ignorance. They had the facts right in front of them. Jesus performed a stupendous miracle right before their eyes. The miracle was undeniable and clearly supernatural. This is not the situation of someone who one time said something stupid out of ignorance. Hope this helps.

      • Michael says:

        I have a question if someone commits the unforgivable sin and they didn’t know it was a sin will they beheld accountable ? I committed it when I was a teenager my dad was forcing God on me and he said the HS words than I blasphemed but I never knew what blasphemy meant and never knew it was a sin until I found out after I got baptized and I was stressed and worried and my dad will never stop forcing God on people he’s in a cult called the way international and other Christians helped me learn that it was a cult and I still worry because I get bad thoughts about unforgiven sin obsessive thoughts and it may be OCD because I cannot control my mind and its tough for me to think

        • admin says:

          Your question is not answered in the biblical text. It is a situation that Jesus does not deal with or address in Matthew 12. The blasphemy He speaks of refers to something that is done voluntarily. It is done deliberately and intentionally.

          It does not even deal with a sin done in ignorance. The Pharisees were not ignorant about Jesus. They just witnessed the power of God displayed in His miracles. They could not deny it. They hated Jesus and the only way they could discredit Him was to make up this false charge.

          This sin was not just words but words that reflect an inner heart attitude (in the context of the passage). This does not describe your situation at all. Therefore, I would not be troubled about this sin at all. Your experience does not fit the biblical criteria of this sin.

          • Michael says:

            Thanks for your reply its just that I been worried a lot and i get unwanted thoughts about this sin and i learn that if we have ocd we can get religious thoughts i get obsessive thoughts

          • admin says:

            Are you plugged into a good local church you you area that you attend regularly? Do you have any support from other believers that might be able to help or counsel you as well?

          • Michael says:

            I haven’t been to church in years but there is one church I wanna go to and I have been doing a lot of research recently some how my mind did calm for a while when I did research on the word holy the word came into English in the 11th century and I do have support from friends they know I have problems with my mind because I struggle with OCD and it’s been going on since I was a kid I started getting obsessive religious thoughts after I got baptized and the unforgiven sin came to my mind after 2009 i almost had the sin thought before 2009 but would try to stop the thought if we try to stop a thought it makes OCD stronger i did wash hands a lot for many years but that stopped than my OCD got worse i had to take some nician to calm my mind at the time and i use to be on medicine for ADHD and OCD i stopped when i turned 18 but i do wanna get help

          • admin says:

            My suggestions is to first make sure you are saved and then do two things: go to a good church and go to a doctor. If you have a genuine medical issue (which it sounds like you do), you may need to take medication for it. There are a lot of different medications available besides the one you mentioned. This would be my recommendation for you.

  2. Gladys says:

    Thank you so much for responding! I pointed Matthew 9 out to them and they really didn’t say much, I honestly don’t think they knew what to say. Though I do have another question you say the Greek used shows something that was continuing. A gentlemen I know, not really a friend but a friendly acquaintance, said that the aorist used was a singular statement, he said that his Greek professor had told him that. So my question is how do I prove that the word ‘speaks’ is not singular?
    Then again he was quoting Matthew 12, is there a difference between the way the Greek words are used in Matthew 9 compared to Matthew 12?

    Thank you again for answering! GOD BLESS

    • admin says:

      Your friend is right. The aorist tense generally refers to a single act in the past. The imperfect tense in Greek refers to a repeated act in the past that is continuous. Matthew 12 uses the aorist tense. “But when the Pharisees heard this, they SAID (aorist), “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.” (Matthew 12:24). If we just had Matthew 12, we might think that this was the only time that they said this but we know from Mark that this was not the only time that they said this. Mark uses the imperfect tense. “And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem SAID (imperfect), ‘He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.'” (Mark 3:22). Matthew gave a hint that this was not the first time that they said this because the Pharisees said the same thing earlier in Matthew 9:34.

  3. Gladys says:

    Thank you for your help. I have found it hard to believe I had not committed this sin for the simple fact that the only argument against it was the theory “if your worried about it, you haven’t done it” And I had never been able to fond biblical proof that that was a valid argument. And a couple people I know think that that is just something the Church came up with to make people feel better. I cant argue against that since a lot of churches do honey cote scripture so as not to step on peoples toes.

    Plus I have been taught in a very strict way of reading the bible. Where its a sin for a woman to have short hair, or even using the words “I swear to…” is a sin because of the scripture that tells us to let our yes be yes and our no’s be no. You know things that are sins even though it doesn’t make since that they are.

    So to be honest the idea that even a slip up or saying something by accident could still be this unforgivable sin made more since to me than saying that a slip or accident wasn’t this sin. Though I didn’t verbalize my blasphemy I had a blasphemous thought. I know that your article says that it is verbal only but the reason I worry is for the simple fact that if our words come from our heart and are thoughts come from our hearts, it would make since that a thought would be just as bad as saying it.

    GOD BLESS!

    • admin says:

      Glad to be some help. While this sin is possible today, I believe that it is rare. We should also remember what Jesus said before He talked about the blasphemy of the Spirit. He said that “”EVERY KIND OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY can be forgiven” (Matthew 12:31). He also said that blasphemy against the Son is forgivable (Matthew 12:32). We tend to focus on the one exception, rather than seeing the general rule that all sin can be forgiven, even the specific sin of blasphemy. Paul used to be a blasphemer before he became a believer (I Timothy 1:13). After his conversion, he became one of the greatest Christians who ever lived, going on missionary journeys, starting churches and even writing multiple books of Scripture. This should be an encouragement to others who have had blasphemous thoughts or words at some time in their life.

  4. Gladys says:

    This isn’t an argument against what your saying, its just a question, But when Paul said that he was forgiven because he did it out of ignorance, wasn’t he just blaspheming Jesus? He wasn’t blaspheming the Holy Sprit? I mean I don’t recall Paul ever saying Jesus got his power from well you know who, instead of God. Did he?

    • admin says:

      Paul called himself a blasphemer. To blaspheme means to speak evil or or to slander God. Since he was a religious Pharisee, he would not have blasphemed God directly. He must have blasphemed Jesus in some way (who the Bible teaches is God in bodily form). Paul did not blaspheme the Holy Spirit but he must have blasphemed Jesus before he got saved. He did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah. He did not believe that he was the Son of God or Lord. He did not even believe that he rose from the dead. He thought that he was an impostor and a deceiver, the leader of a false movement. Before he became a Christian, he thought that Jesus was leading people astray. We do not know exactly what he said but we do know that he hated Jesus before that time. He hated all Christians and persecuted them, even to death.

  5. Gladys says:

    I get what you mean.
    Now this is just me thinking things out so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

    The first part is that the Greek word in the original text is being used in its imperfect tens of the word meaning it is showing its a continuous sin which is supported by Matthew 9 where they said the same think but were not warned of it at that time.

    The second part is that we have a sin that has no forgiveness, we think that the reason we have no forgiveness is because the Holy Spirit draws us to repent and that he would be taken away from us if we did this, there fore we would not feel drawn to repent.

    The third part is that is kind of tied into the 2nd part as where there are tons of scripture that ‘we need only ask for forgiveness and we have it’. I think this is the part most people have a problem with, A lot of people think that this unforgivable sin is the exception to the whole ‘ask for forgiveness and you get it’
    I know a lot of people that think that even if they repent that they won’t be forgiven because they think this sin is the exception. Because the scripture says they have no forgiveness it doesn’t say they wont ask for it.
    A scripture they use to support this theory is Hebrews where Esau asked for forgiveness with tears but couldn’t get it.

    Now correct me if I am wrong but it wasn’t repentance Esau was asking for was it? Wasn’t he trying to get back his birthright that he gave up?

    Thank you again for all your help!

    • admin says:

      Your last letter was interesting. I had not really thought about the situation of Esau. I see why some might draw some kind of a parallel but the two situations are not really parallel. Esau sold his birthright. It had nothing to do with salvation. It had to do with something material. It was his inheritance. It had to do with inheritance rights of the first-born. They got twice as much. Birthrights could be sold in the Ancient Near East.

      Furthermore, there is no evidence that Esau repented for what he did. He felt bad that he lost it and later wanted it back but he did not think that he did anything wrong. It is like someone who is sorry that he is caught doing something but does not show any true sorrow for the act itself. Esau was sorry for the consequences of his actions, rather than the act itself. A better example would be Judas. He betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. Judas confessed what he did was wrong. He said “I have sinned” (Matthew 27:4). He acknowledged that Jesus was innocent. He felt sorry for what he did and even returned the money but biblically he did not actually repent because he never turned to God and asked for forgiveness. He just felt complete despair and went out and killed himself. That shows how far one can go and yet not actually repent in the biblical sense.

      I would question whether this sin is the exception to the ask-for-forgiveness rule. Peter preached to the Jews responsible for the death of their Messiah in the Book of Acts and offered them forgiveness of sins for genuine repentance. In fact, to no group of Jews did the Apostles say in the Book of Acts that they could not be forgiven because of what they said about Jesus while he was on earth performing miracles during his ministry. That, I think is significant.

      I am curious what your religious background is. Are you a Christian? If so, how long have you been one? How old are you? Do you attend a church somewhere? What is your denominational background? This might help me better understand your point of view.

  6. Gladys says:

    Well this may sound a little strange, but I am from a Mormon family, but we really didn’t go to church much and none of the beliefs only Mormans have were ever pushed onto me. I was homeschooled with Abeka, a Christian program and I believe they have a Baptist church I’m not sure really. I have been a Christian for….. well I really don’t know see I was real close to god as a kid and one day about 2 or 3 years ago I started having doubts and questions and found that my love had turned into indifference, I know that indifference is no way to have a relationship with god so I picked up my bible for the 1st real time in my life. I am now 22. And I honestly don’t know if I am saved or not. I hope so. I mean I know Jesus died for my sins, but I have been told that knowing and believing are 2 different things, so like I said I don’t know if I am saved or not. And in my refusal to go to a Mormon church and my moms refusal to let me go to anyother kind I do not go to church.

    I don’t believe in once saved always saved and I am not a Calvinist.

    And to be honest the things I have mentioned like this unforgivable sin just being an exception to ask for forgiveness and you get it, or the question of can this be done my thought, etc are not really my own personal views, but I am cursed as someone who sees both sides to an argument and I can see how one belief can be as true as another.

    For example many people believe that if you are worried that you may have committed this sin then you haven’t because the Holy Spirit would leave you, Because the Holy Spirit convicts of sin.
    On the other hand many believe that the Holy Spirit doesn’t convict believers of sin, in which case the entire theory of if you are worried then you didn’t do it fly’s out the window!

    Or like the question from my last post, Many say that the reason this sin isn’t forgiven is because you wouldn’t as for repentance, because whoever asks for forgiveness is not denied. And naturally people say that one scripture cant prove another wrong so this conclusion must be correct.

    While there are others who like I mentioned last time think that you would still want repentance but would just be denied because they think this is the exception to the ask for forgiveness and you will get it rule.
    And as someone who like I said is ‘cursed’ with the mind that looks at both sides, which is correct?

    And like I said before in a different post, the person who helped lead me back to god is a rather strict believer, I mean you cant cuss, you cant have short hair if you are a woman or long if you are a man, you cant use the words ” I swear to…..” He even thinks that eating meat rare is against the hole don’t eat blood sin, and that lying is still a sin if done to save a life.
    And saying that that couldn’t be true because it doesn’t make since, is not a valid argument against the scripture.

    I think that’s what gives me personally such a hard time with this sin.
    even though the thought of this being done my accident if you didn’t mean your words or thought doesn’t make since, didn’t mean it wasn’t true. And that has really tripped me up in finding the truth.

    • admin says:

      Thanks for your last post. It really helped me see where you are coming from. You are about the same age as some of my kids. I have five kids – four boys and one girl. Two are right now in high school (one a freshman and one a senior). I have three boys who are finished high school, ages nineteen, twenty-four and twenty-five.

      Seeing both sides of an issue is not a curse. It is a blessing. It is an important skill called critical thinking that most people do not have. The topic that we have been discussing is a controversial one. All Christians do not agree on it, so we do not have any final answers. I can give you my opinion based on my study of the Scriptures. Someone else may hold a slightly different view. Do not feel bad if you do not have all of the answers to a question that everyone does not agree on. Some issues in the Bible are clear. Others are less clear.

      For you, the most important thing to do right now is to know for sure if you are saved. Most religions teach that no one can know if sure if they are going to heaven. I John 5:13 says something very different. It says, “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have (not “hope to have someday”) eternal life.” It is NOT pride or arrogance to say that we know that we have eternal life. The Bible says that this is something that we can know that we have.

      We are saved by faith. John 3:16 says that you can get eternal life by believing in Christ but faith is not just intellectual or mental. The demons also know that Jesus is the Son of God but they are not saved. You have to first acknowledge that you have a problem and need to be saved. Then you have to trust Christ to save you. It is not knowledge ABOUT Christ but trust IN Christ that saves you. You can be dying of some deadly disease and have a bottle of pills in your hand that can save you. You can know all about the contents of the bottle and all of the medical research on the product but none of it will help you unless you take it.

      That is why John 1:12 talks about being a child of God by RECEIVING Christ. You have to ask him to save you. Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved (Romans 10:13). The God who promised eternal life to all who genuinely believe CANNOT lie (Titus 1:2). Jesus promises to save you. He says, “ALL those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will NEVER drive away”. Jesus accepts everyone who comes to him in faith and repentance. He doesn’t reject them. He accepts them, regardless of their background, regardless of their past, regardless of what terrible things they have done. In fact, in Greek this is a double negative for emphasis.

      The next thing you desperately need to do is to get into contact with other Christians. Right now you can listen to entire sermons online from some of the best preachers on the planet but eventually you need to get into fellowship with other believers where many of your questions can be answered in a local church setting.

      I know exactly what you are going through. I faced the same type of opposition when I became a believer in 1976. My dad was Jewish and, as you can imagine, my conversion did not go over too well with him.

      Jesus said, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it“. (Matthew 10:34-39).

      I will definitely keep you in prayer. I hope this small reply will be of some help to you. One day, I definitely hope to see you in heaven.

  7. Gladys says:

    I guess what I mean is not that seeing both sides of a issue is a curse but the indecisiveness is. I guess it’s just part of my personality but I when it comes to this I want to discredit all possibilities then I might feel safe.

    Honestly I might not have been in this predicament if I hadn’t read a certain article. See I looked up why people think worrying is a sign you haven’t done it, and there are a couple articles that say worrying or feeling bad are not signs that you have done it and that such thinking is just teachings made up my churches to make people feel better, and from there is kid of spiraled down hill for me.

    And I honestly agree that feeling bad isn’t a factor in if you have or haven’t done this. But I would think that still wanting to serve the Lord is a way to determine that you haven’t. Because I don’t know much about the Pharisees but I do know they did not want to serve Jesus.

    You pointed out a scripture that says we can know if we are saved, and that its just a matter of Receiving Christ, how do you know if you have received him? Or is it something you just do, and do you think depression can interfere with this?

    Thank you for helping me and thank you for sharing info about your family, I Graduated College about a year ago, and I have a Brother 13 and sister 11, but they live with our mother, I like with my Great-grandmother.

    • admin says:

      You had a question about assurance of salvation. Let’s review the verse. I John 5:13 says, “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.” That tells me two things. One, it is possible to know if you are saved. John says know, not hope to have or wish to have. Two, eternal life is something that you can have right now.

      Notice that John does NOT say you can know that one day when you die you will get eternal life. He says that you can know that you HAVE right now eternal life. He uses the present tense verb. How can we know? There are many ways we can know. I will boil it down to two basic proofs of salvation.

      One, we can know we are saved simply because God says we are saved and God cannot lie. It is impossible for God to lie. God says that “whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have (present tense again) eternal life” (John 3:16). This is not a matter of feelings but simply taking God at His word. He keeps His promises.

      Another way we can know we are saved is by our life. The whole book of I John explains this point. If you go from being darkness to light, it will be clear to you and others around you. If there are changes on the inside, they will manifest on the outside. Your life will be different. You will want to read the Bible and pray and be with other believers. You will want to stop doing some of the things you did before you accepted Christ. You will have a joy that you never had before you were saved.

      You will have these changes because you have the Holy Spirit in you after salvation. “The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children”. (Romans 8:16). “And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us” (I John 3:24)

      If a person makes a profession of Christ and has absolutely no change in his or her life at all, that is a sign that he or she is not saved. Jesus said that a tree is known by its fruits. “Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit” (Matthew 7:17). He said that “by their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:20).

      As for the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, you mentioned one particular article that troubled you. Could you send me the link so that I could read it and review it. I could give you my feedback on it. It is good to see that you are taking care of your great-grandmother. There must be some longevity in your family. Hope this is somewhat helpful. God bless.

  8. Gladys says:

    Sure here is the link. http://propheticinsight.hubpages.com/hub/Blapheming-the-Holy-Spirit

    So an emotional feeling isn’t a way to know you are saved? Because that’s why I even picked up my bible in the first place is because I didn’t feel anything. But I mean I do believe god will keep his word and save me (if I don’t do something to screw up on my end that is)

    And I don’t have a desire to read more of the bible (mostly because that seams to get me into more trouble than if I hadn’t in the first place) Or to commune with a group of people that could just be because my experience in the past with religious people was never good.

    But I do act differently, I have tried to stop cussing (though I only sometimes succeed) think differently about everything I do to see if this is okay or not, though I hardly ever come to a decisive conclusion. I don’t even go onto YouTube to listen to music anymore because even though its legal to use most of the music was uploaded illegally by someone. So a lot of what I do had changed.

    Maby I am not as lost as I thought, maybe.

    • admin says:

      I do not know you personally, so I cannot say conclusively if you are saved or lost but what I got from your letter is that you do see some changes in your life (e.g., language and music selection) which could be a sign of regeneration. An emotional feeling is one way to know you are saved but it needs to be combined with other ways (e.g., outward changes in your life) because your feelings can be deceptive and can change. The Holy Spirit does testify to your spirit that you are a child of God but you would never want to rely exclusively on your feelings for your assurance of salvation.

      You also mentioned a few things that have not changed. You say that you do not want to read the Bible but you have a deep burning desire to find the answer to this one question about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. That is good and comes from the Holy Spirit.

      You said that you do not want to fellowship with other believers but even that is only partly true. You have been burned in the past but you write me regularly, so there is at least one believer that you want to communicate with. My wife calls you my pen pal.

      I will challenge you on one point. One clear sign of salvation is that you love other believers and want to be with them. If you are part of God’s family, you will want to be with your brothers and sisters in Christ.

      I John 3:14-15 says, “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him“.

      I John 4:19-21 says, “We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister”.

      One clear sign that you are not saved is that you hate Christians and do not want to have anything to do with them. There is a danger is saying, “I love Jesus but it is the church that I hate”. Jesus said that the church is his body. When Paul persecuted and killed Christians, Jesus said, “Why do you persecute Me” (not them).

      Persecuting the church was the same as persecuting Jesus. If you have had a bad experience with a group of professing Christians, I would challenge you to find another body of believers to fellowship with. There is no perfect church on the planet but it is still God’s program on the earth today. Jesus said that He is building His church (Matthew 16:18).

      I will look at your link and give you my feedback on it in my next letter. I did not want to make this post too long.

      • admin says:

        I do not have time to write a thorough critique of the entire article you sent me but I would like to make a few comments. The article contained some good points and some highly questionable points.

        I agree completely with the author that “the church is plagued with untruthful teachings regarding blasphemy of the Holy Spirit”. He is absolutely correct that “nobody with unforgiven sin will enter heaven”. That is a thoroughly biblical concept. The author is also correct in saying that people should “think twice before you say that anything is demonic, or satanic.” It is not something that should ever be said casually.

        Where the author makes his biggest mistake is saying that the Pharisees attributed the miracles of Christ to evil demonic forces out of ignorance. He believes that they just did not know any better and actually believed this to be true. There is simply not a hint of this in Matthew 12. We know that they did NOT say this out of ignorance for several reasons.

        1. Their Motives

        Matthew 12:22-24 says, “Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

        Why did the Pharisees say this? It is clear from the text that they were upset that all the people were beginning to think that Jesus was the Messiah, the Son of David. That bothered them. To change people’s opinions, they came up with this ridiculous accusation against Jesus. Their motives were suspect at the outset. They did not say this based on any evidence in front of them. This charge was intentional and deliberate. It is the exact opposite of a casual remark about the Holy Spirit that people are worried about today or some accidental slip of the tongue.

        It is the same thing that politicians do today. The way to get someone not to vote for a politician is to try to throw as much dirt on them as you can. Again, this is not the case of someone who looked at all of the evidence with an open mind and come up with the wrong conclusion.

        This was the case of someone who is biased against Jesus and wants others not to follow Jesus, so they deliberately make up a lie which they know is false to deceive others. They could have been wrong about who Jesus was but they could not deny the supernatural miracles, wrought by the Holy Spirit, which He did right in their midst. The charge was inexcusable. The problem was not that they did not have enough evidence in front of them. The evidence was overwhelming.

        2. Their animosity

        This was said by people who hated Jesus and wanted to kill him. Matthew 12:14 says, “But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.” They did not say this out if ignorance but out of intense hatred, a hatred that led to violence and murder.

        3. Their profession

        The fact that this charge came from the scribes supports the idea that this was not out of ignorance. The scribes were the professional bible scholars of the day. They knew the Word. They were not ignorant people. They were very well educated.

        4. The reply

        What Jesus said immediately after contradicts the view that they were ignorant. Jesus said, “You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him” (12:34-35). Jesus called these Pharisees evil. Their evil words came from an evil heart. He did not say that they were ignorant and only said these words because they did not know any better or have all of the facts. Jesus does not excuse their comments. He condemns them.

        The author rejects the notion that “If you worry about, you haven’t done it”. I am not so sure that this is incorrect. The only example of this sin in Scripture is in Matthew 12. The people in that chapter are not humble, broken repentant sinners. They are stubborn, self-righteous, heard-hearted, Christ-rejecting and close-minded. They do not just reject Jesus, they want to KILL HIM (12:14).

        They do not just reject Him, they want everyone else to reject him and the way they do that is by slandering him. It is one thing to reject Christ on intellectual grounds. It is quite another thing to attribute His miracles to the agency of Satan and call good evil. This not only insulted Jesus, it insulted the Holy Spirit.

        “What to do if you blasphemed the Holy Spirit? Quite frankly, there is nothing you can do other than warn others not to do it.” That is true. However, we never really know for sure when this sin has been committed. Jesus did not even say that they committed the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. He just said to beware of it. We do not know if they committed the sin or were just close to committing the sin. The only one who knows for sure if this sin is committed is God.

        Instead of focusing on the exception. We need to focus on the general rule. Jesus said that “every kind of sin and blasphemy can be forgiven” (Matthew 12:31). He said “repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:47). Peter told the people who crucified Jesus, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). Paul said that Christ forgives us of ALL our sins (Colossians 2:13).

        The best advice I can give you is to focus on the clear passages of Scripture, rather than the unclear ones. Rather than to be constantly tortured about one obscure passage, you should take comfort in the very clear passages which are repeated over and over again in Scripture. When read in context, the obscure passage does not support the idea of an accidental comment made in ignorance. In fact, it has nothing to do with such a comment.

        • Lynn says:

          I said something recently causally to someone I work with about Her HS being more lienient than mine (because she’s bad about taking food and doing other things like tattoos) then I thought what if I had done this? I keep telling myself that I didn’t but now I’m scared. I just recently was baptized and I love the lord and want to go to heaven

          • admin says:

            How old are you? How did you become a Christian? You do not have to worry about committing the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. You have not done it. What the Pharisees did in Matthew 12 was far more serious. They did not just blaspheme the Spirit, they wanted to KILL Jesus. They HATED him. Their comment was NOT causal. It was deliberate and intentional. It was not a one-time slip of the tongue.

  9. Gladys says:

    Pen pal? LOL I love that. I honestly never bother writing to others most of the time, as you can probably tell I do not have a good grasp of grammar or spelling really. But I rock at math!

    It is true what you say about me wanting to read the bible, I do want answers but it just always seams that when I do read it I just confuse myself even further so I honestly avid it. At least until I finish figuring out one problem.

    As for talking with other believers, I do like talking one on one to have a serious discussion, but most of the time when I contact a pastor, or bishop or whoever, they tell you what they believe but hardly ever give an explanation as to how they came to that conclusion, and when I ask they have a beat around the bush answer, its almost like they don’t know the answer. And to be honest they seam to not wish to speak after you question them about it. Actually you are the 2nd person I have spoken to who actually seams to want to help in about 2yrs.

    Outward change, like I said you know I try to not cuss, um…cant say that my music selection is different, I just don’t use YouTube or other sites that I know upload music illegally.

    I’ll respond to your opinions of the article in a different post, unfortunately I haven’t really had time to more than skim what you have written so far and I would like to get a better look at it before responding.

    • admin says:

      Thanks for the last letter. I started the morning with a smile on my face. God must be trying to tell you something if He has had two people speak to you in the last year. I am am honored to be one of the two people that God used to speak to you. Your writing may have some grammar or spelling issues but I was not that great of a writer when I was 22. I am 51 now. When my wife read your posts, she said that she thought you were smart. You rock at math. That is my worst subject. What was your major in college?

      I did encourage you to go to church but I need to qualify what I said. There are plenty of churches that I would have nothing to do with. There are good churches and bad churches. Some churches are spiritually dead. Others are completely legalistic. Others do not preach the Word. The challenge is to find a good one that honors Christ and is thoroughly biblical. You want to look for one that is balanced. If you need any help with that, I would be glad to help any way I can.

      I look forward to reading your reaction to my brief critique of the link you sent me. Have a great day.

  10. Gladys says:

    k, so I guess I am kind of in the middle on the Pharisees situation, See I know that there were many situations that would lead them to believe that Christ was our savior, yet remember after Matthew 12 (I think its Matthew 12) His apostles ask why he spoke in parables, and Jesus told them it was because they wouldn’t understand other wise. I was under the impression that they didn’t know who he was because there hearts were so hardened that they couldn’t recognize him. Yet I never thought it was done in total ignorance cuz like I said there were many times where he showed who he was, plus he was fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah. (It was Isaiah wasn’t it)?

    And I’m going to quote a part of what you said here.

    “The author rejects the notion that “If you worry about, you haven’t done it”. I am not so sure that this is incorrect”

    Sorry I think its the wording that is confusing me, I don’t have that high a level of comprehension to be honest. When you said that your not sure if its incorrect did you mean you think he is incorrect or that the If you worry about it you haven’t done it theory is incorrect?
    I mean the rest of what you said in that paragraph seams like your think he is wrong but I just wanted to check.

    You know to be honest when I read his article I got the vibe that he thought this was only a verbal sin, and like I said I thought it I didn’t say it, even when I have tried to tell someone what I thought I cant say the words, I just hint at what I thought and they get what I mean, searisusley I can not physically get the words out of my mouth! So even by his standards I didn’t do it, but like I said it only seamed like he was saying it was only verbal, as you noticed he didn’t really say.

    As you pointed out there are a lot of true facts in his article, I guess I thought if he is right about some he might be right about all of what he said.

    SECOND POST

    O I didn’t really have a Major, it was just my AA degree, see I want to go into acting, I know I know quite a leap especially for a Christian, but in school I was mostly a B and C student, kind of a Jack of all trades that just wasn’t that awesome as her trade, and I love movies, I wont lie I can hardly enjoy my movies because when watching I am so jealous that I don’t get to be a character in it.
    The problem is I am very shy, as a kid I was in pageant and stuff and a large group of people looking at me was okay, cuz I could look out at the crowd and see that some were talking or something, they weren’t just focused on me.
    but you take only 3 people who are boring holes into you just focusing on you and I would freak out, I don’t think acting would be the problem but getting past the audition.

    And then like I said a Christian in Hollywood, um…..ya.
    I have a problem with movies it kida strange, but I don’t know what roles I could take.
    I mean I know I wouldn’t do a leasbend movie, or a porno, or anything gruesome like Saw or anything like that.
    And I know if I was in a movie that required a nude scene I could have a body double, but then that would fall under the ‘causing your brother to stuble’ if someone else has to be nude in my place so I couldn’t do any of those.

    but I love action movies, like Lord of the rings or Avengers, batman, could I take a role as a Greek god for example in like Clash of the Titans? Could I ever be the bad guy? Could a play a with dabbling in magic, or a vampire.
    And stuff like that. See I don’t know when something is actually following scripture and when your just taking to far and going outside the scope of scripture ya know what I mean.

    I mean I have stopped watching movies that have other god in them all together, I don’t watch clash of the titan anymore, or the Mummy. Surprisingly I will watch Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings, which I have been told are both anti Christian, and what really shakes me is that fact that I can see there point when they say that.
    I miss the time when I considered it just pretend.

    I guess what movies I watch or act in would fall under Romans where it tells us that something may be wrong for me and therefor I shouldn’t do it, but the same thing could be okay for someone else to do. That was what Romans is about right? The gray areas of life? Didn’t Romans use the example of ‘its okay to eat meat but if it makes your brother to stumble then don’t do it’ (So not a word for word but ha at least I remembered it :)

    As for Churches, I don’t really have that many near me, I have the Mormon Church, I mean the beliefs that separates Mormons from the rest of the Christen community were never preached, and I have recently talked to a member, and she had never even heard of those beliefs, so maybe I could go there. There are a few Baptist churches, and then we have a few cults around us.

    And dude I like your wife! And lastly I feel I should apologize, I use Gladys as a pin name. I learned at a young age giving out your name online is a bad ideah! Sorry I usually put in my first posts that its just a pin name, and it donned on me that I hadn’t done that this time. I just forgot to I honestly didn’t wish to mislead you. Sorry! :)

    • admin says:

      You mentioned that you like acting. That is very interesting because one of my kids also loves acting. He graduated from high school last year. He is extremely gifted. We do not know where he got it. It certainly did not come from me. He acted in the High School Musical and other plays put on by his local high school. He is very funny. He is a natural performer when he steps on the stage, something that I would never want to do.

      He also has been involved in some community acting in plays since graduating from high school. Have you ever tried that or is the audition process just too difficult? I get your point about it being unchristian. You just have to choose what to be involved in. Based on Romans 14, you should not play any role which you are not comfortable with.

      I lead a Bible study at my church for your age range (20s and 30s). My wife and I have led a small group for this age bracket before. Right now, I am teaching the Ten Commandments. I will be on the Third Commandment this Sunday. You can read the website if you want to follow it.

      I enjoy talking to you but feel free to communicate with my wife any time you want to as well. You could either email her or contact her on Facebook, if you do Facebook. I could give you her contact information. I do not have a Facebook account. I am old school. Feel free to comment on any other posts from the website as well.

      As for churches, I would not encourage you to go to the Mormon Church, simply because it is a different religion. I am not an expert on Mormonism but I know that it has a completely different view of God, Jesus and salvation. They even use a different Bible and add to Scripture. The Apostle Paul said, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!” (Galatians 1:8). That is exactly what Mormonism is. It is a religion based on a revelation from a so-called angel from heaven which results in a different gospel. Definitely stay away from the cults. I wonder what advice your other Christian friend gave you. I wonder if it was similar or different to mine.

      As for the blasphemy of the Spirit, it definitely was a verbal sin, as I pointed out on my website. I do not think that the If you worry about it, you haven’t done it theory is necessarily wrong. I do not think that the author you mentioned soundly refuted that theory. The Pharisees in Matthew 12 were not spiritually sensitive and worried if they have committed this sin. They were defined by Jesus as evil. They were hard-hearted and trying to kill Jesus.

      As for the Pharisees, I think you missed my point. They were ignorant about a lot of things. No doubt about it. They may have not known that Jesus was the Messiah or Son of God. That is not the issue. The issue is whether they made the charge of demonically inspired miracles on Jesus’ part out of ignorance. There is not a shred of evidence for that assertion, as I documented in my last post. Not believing that Jesus is the Messiah is not the same thing as attributing his miracles to Satan. They are two completely different things. I gave three or four reasons why they did not make this charge because they believed it ignorantly. It was clearly a trumped up charge.

  11. Gladys says:

    WOW so sorry it took me so long to get back with you! Work…yuck.

    I myself have never had a community theater to act in though when I was a child I was in to plays, I was a puzzle piece then I was a munchkin in a Wizard of Oz remake. But besides that I was just in singing and dance competitions. If you don’t mine the question, does your son plan on going into acting as his career? If so does he know how he would handle certain situations like using cuss words or something like that, Cuz I know you can turn down parts if there is something you don’t like about it like nudity or something like that, but when it comes to what the director will make your character say, sometimes you don’t even have a scripture until the movie starts shooting. So has he mentioned how he would handle that situation, Or is he mostly interested in theater only.

    I would love to talk with your wife! That sound cool but I don’t do Facebook either, I must admit I am rather antisocial to some extend and I really am more of a face to face talker for the most part.

    I would also like following your discussion on the 10 commandments, but when I went to the homepage of this site I didn’t see the link, Did I miss it or is it on a different site?

    as for churches, well my friend didn’t really have any good suggestions, his suggestion manly consisted of just going to different ones till I found the right one and don’t tell my mom what I was doing. I see 3 problems with his plan one…that is doing what my mother told me not to. Kind of going against that whole honor thy mother and father thing, and two that would involve lieng to her. Not only that but despite my age I am still using a permit, I would have to steal her car to get that done. FYI considering I work at a DMV I do understand the weirdness of still having a permit.

    And lastly back on topic I honestly never considered that the Pharisees could know that the power was from God and not know who Jesus was at the same time. But that does make since.

    • admin says:

      I finally got my lesson on the Third Commandments up on the website. I do not find it unusual at all that you just have a permit. We did not encourage any of our kids to get their license at 16 because our auto insurance rates would skyrocket and they are better drivers when they are a little older.

      I see your point about your mom but it is important to put God first even above parents (cf. Matthew 10:37). You shouldn’t lie and if you have to wait until you can drive on your own, you may have to, unless you can get a ride from a friend.

      I talked to my 19 year old son Eric about acting. I know nothing about acting, so he filled me in a little. He originally planned to go to Liberty University and major in either theater or video but Liberty is very expensive and we were not able to send him there. He could have gotten some loans but he did not want to graduate with huge debt. He is right now getting a degree in film and video production at a local community college.

      There is no right answer to your question about acting. Different Christian actors would answer the question differently. In general, you would set your own standards and take only the movies that you feel comfortable with. Different people would be comfortable with different things, although there are some things that you could be involved in which would not have this problem (family oriented or kids films). You are right that some actors get their script the day of or right before filming but you already have a general idea what the movie is about and what the director is like. Some directors you may trust more than others.

      My son probably will not go into acting as a career. While anyone off the street can go audition for a part in a movie, acting is one of the most unemployed professions because the competition is so high. To be a successful actor or actress, you have to be not only extremely talented, you have to be driven, because it takes many auditions to find the director who likes you. He has made a little money from YouTube. That is another option. He also has been in a play at a local studio, which is something else that you could look into doing. In addition, some big churches have a drama department.

      I hope this helps a little. God bless.

  12. Gladys says:

    Hi again, so sorry for the late reply, life so got in the way. Kind of a new question that really doesn’t have anything to do with this topic, and I don’t really know where in the bible it is, I don’t know if it was acts or where, but there is a scripture that says people will cry to god but he wont hear them, Is that bout people trying to repent or is that scripture about prayers being answered?

    • admin says:

      I am not sure of the specific verse you are referring to but there are many verses like it dealing with answered prayer. God does say in Scripture, “Call on me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you will honor me.” (Psalm 50:15). “Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.” (Jeremiah 33:3). On the other hand, when there is unconfessed sin, God says that He will NOT answer your prayers. Isaiah 1:15-16, for example, says, “When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! Wash and make yourselves clean“. Isaiah 59:2-3 says, “your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken falsely, and your tongue mutters wicked things”. Psalm 66:18 says, “If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.” Hope this helps.

  13. Gladys says:

    I found the passage Proverbs 1:24-33.

    This is the one I meant! But what is it about? I mean it seams to talk about people who don’t want to answer gods call. But part 28 says that god wont answer when they do come to him.

    Is this saying that people will come to god and he wont accept them when they do, or is it saying that they were not genuine in wanting the lord?

    • admin says:

      Proverbs 1 is an interesting passage. What we learn from that passage is several things.

      1. Wisdom is offered to all

      Wisdom cries aloud in the street, in the markets she raises her voice (1:20), Wisdom is even offered to those who are antagonistic to it (fools, simple ones and scoffers).

      2. Accepting or rejecting is a choice.

      Some accept it but fools reject it. They REFUSED to listen and did not CHOOSE the fear of the Lord (1:24, 29). The people in this chapter, did not just reject wisdom, they despised it (1:30).

      3. Rejecting wisdom has serious consequences.

      In this chapter, it mentions calamity, terror, distress and anguish (1:26-27).

      4. At some point in time, repentance will be too late.

      Of course, it is never to late to repent while you alive. Many hardened sinners received eternal life on their deathbed but many others plan to live a life of sin now and repent before they die. Often times, they do not get an opportunity to repent because they die suddenly. Everyone in Hell would love to repent but it is too late. That is why the Bible says that NOW is the day of salvation.

  14. Gladys says:

    O.. So Proverbs is talking about people who want to repent after they are dead?

    • admin says:

      Proverbs 1 could be applied to people in Hell but would not be limited to them. The chapter begins with the statement “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction” (1:7). That is the theme of the book. It is not a description of people who are humble, broken and deeply repentant of their sin and call out to God. It describes what ultimately happens to fools. They reject God, mock God, and ultimately cry out to God to get out of trouble, not to genuinely repent of their sins. They are described in the very end of the chapter as fools. I challenge you to take time to read the whole book in a good modern translation. It is one of my favorite books of the Bible.

  15. Gladys says:

    O okay so the people in Proverbs are not repenting at all. Kind of like Esau, like you said he was like someone who was sorry for getting caught doing something, not sorry they did it. Kind of like that.

    • admin says:

      You are absolutely correct. This passage must be compared to other passages of Scripture. God never rejects anyone who comes to Him in genuine faith and repentance, even if they do this right before they die. On the other hand, some come with the wrong motives and show no true repentance at all. That perfectly describes the fools in Proverbs 1. It also describes Esau. Esau despised his birthright (Genesis 25:34). It meant nothing to him. He is described in the NT as a profane person (Hebrews 12:16). He was upset about losing his birthright but there is no evidence of genuine repentance on his part.

      Proverbs describes a case of poetic justice. These fools not only rejected the truth, they laughed at it (1:22). God laughs at them when disaster strikes (1:26). They refused to listen when God called out to them (1:24), so when they call out to God He refuses to listen to them (1:28). Like Esau, they also come to God but not in genuine repentance. They are called fools to the very end.

      A good example of this in the Bible is King Saul in I Samuel 15. God gave him specific instructions. He deliberately disobeyed those instructions. He denied disobeying them. Then he said that he did it for good reasons (as if there is ever a good reason to disobey a clear command). He later said “I have sinned” but did not mean a word of it. The prophet Samuel said that God had rejected him as king.

      • admin says:

        One totally unrelated comment. Last night, the movie “Son of God” opened. I went and saw it with my wife and kids. I strongly encourage you to see it ASAP. It puts some of the statements about blasphemy of the Spirit in a little context. I think you will like it. Let me know if you ever see it.

  16. Gladys says:

    Wow I was totally going to mention that to you! Me and my mom are going to try and go see it this Friday, but we did see the series when it was on TV!

    I actually had a question about Saul. Now I admit I am ignorant to a lot if this but David as in David and Goliath was the one who took over for Saul right? If I am correct, even after God stopped favoring (for lack of a better word) him didn’t Saul still love God?

    Keeping in mind the only real knowledge of this event was what I saw in the Bible series I just mentioned.

    • admin says:

      Glad you are going. If you liked the TV series, you will love the movie, although parts of it are graphic because you are dealing with a crucifixion.

      Where to begin with Saul? He is a very fascinating character. He was Israel’s first king. The three kings of Israel’s United Monarchy are Saul, David and Solomon. Each ruled forty years. I challenge you to read I Samuel 8-31. You may want to read the whole book to get the context. The book begins with the prophet Samuel. There were no kings. The people asked for a king like all of the other nations. The first king chosen was Saul. He had a great start but eventually became apostate. He became disobedient and was rejected as king by God and David was chosen. Saul became insanely jealous of David and tries to kill him three times. David even marries Saul’s daughter. When Samuel dies, Saul tries to communicate with him after death through a medium or psychic. You can read about that in I Samuel 28. The book ends with Saul killing himself.

      Scholars argue about this but I do not believe that he was a true believer. I do not believe he was ever saved in the first place. The second king David was, despite all of his sins. God called him “a man after my own heart”.

  17. Gladys says:

    Could he maby have become apostate? That is what Hebrews is talking about right? Believers becoming apostate? Cuz if he was never a believer then why would God pick him for something so important?

    • admin says:

      Yes. Hebrews is talking about apostasy. It deals with people who once made a profession of Christianity. They claimed to believe in Jesus and went to church but, at some point in their life, they completely and irrevocably give up their faith and no longer believe in Jesus. The Bible says that people who commit apostasy will be lost. It is only those who endure to the end who will be saved (Matthew 24:13). I personally do not believe that a genuine believe will ever commit apostasy. Apostasy is not the same thing as falling into sin or backsliding. Christians (even mature Christians) can and do fall into sin but they do not commit apostasy. A professing Christian can commit apostasy but not a genuine believer. A good example of someone in this character was Judas Iscariot. He committed apostasy. He betrayed Jesus and then killed himself but he was never saved. Jesus called him a child of the devil, not a child of God.

  18. Gladys says:

    Darn good point about Judas.

    O by the way some strange news, I had been asking god for a sign that I hadn’t committed this sin, and I asked him to make it obvious cuz I admit I am thick! Seriously I could miss a neon sign above my head, sadly. Well about a weak ago when me and my mom were at Arbys roast beef, as we were about to leave out of the corner of my eye I saw a little card on another table, I thought it was a coupon or something so I picked it up, and lo and behold it was a little card with a pic of Jesus holding up a man and on the back it was little story about forgiveness.
    Now that could have just been a coincidence, but it would be one heck of a coincidence.
    Now don’t get me wrong I still worry that I may have committed this sin, I think I will always worry about it just for the simple fact that I am a worrier. I mean I am the girl who freaked out about if it was a sin to have a tattoo and I don’t have and never will have a tattoo! I really am just a worrier when it comes to scripture!
    But I would like to think that little card is a sign that I didn’t do it.

    • admin says:

      Great story. It sounds like you have a tender heart, which is good. You have not committed this sin. You do not have to worry. I believe that it is Satan who wants you to think that you have committed this sin to keep you away from the Bible and away from Christianity. He is the one who wants to rob you of any hope of heaven. As for worry, I want you to read several verses on worry. God has a lot to say about that topic. Read Proverbs 12:25; Philippians 4:6-7; I Peter 5:7; Matthew 6:25-34; John 14:27.

  19. Gladys says:

    Read them. I see what they are saying but I’m not sure what to take away from them. Does it mean not to worry, or…is there more?

    • admin says:

      Don’t forget to go to the movie “Son of God” tomorrow. Worry is a sin because it involves a lack of trust. God does not want us to worry about things but to trust him and to cast all of our cares upon him, rather than worrying. It is something that I have to remind myself. It is not only sinful, it is unhealthy. It is not good for you. It causes stress and as Jesus says, it accomplishes nothing. You cannot add a cubit to your stature by worrying. One other thing I forgot to mention in my last post is the difference between conviction and condemnation. This is an important distinction for you to know, since you have been troubled about whether you have committed the blasphemy of the Spirit. What is the difference between conviction and condemnation? One comes from God and one comes from Satan. One tears you down and shows how bad you screwed up. It causes you to despair and give up hope. The other comes from God. It leads to hope. It does not just show you the problem. It shows you the answer. One leads to change and the other makes you feel that you cannot change or that change is futile. One focuses on yourself. The other focuses on Christ.

  20. Gladys says:

    It’s a sin? I honestly didn’t get that from the scriptures, but I only read the ones you gave me I didn’t really read all the scripture before and after them.
    I may not be able to god to the show 2marow, a lot has happened in the past few days. Almost everyone at work is sick and I may be called in, and my Aunt is for some reason going through a divorce! Don’t know what’s going on there but ha. If worse comes to worse I can purchase the DVD if I don’t make it to the theater before it’s out of theater.

    As for what you say about Conviction and Condemnation, I see what you mean thought I would have to say by your description I would fall under the list of Condemnation, but as of late I have started not to worry quite as much, but I honestly think that’s just my brain getting tired of worrying about it more than anything. As strange as it sounds it feels like there are 2 separate parts of me, one is just plain sick of this fear being the norm, and the other part of me keeps saying that this is something that’s worth worrying about.

    You know even before this happened I had always got a bad feeling when I turn to a sermon on tv you know there are a handful on, on Sundays. And I don’t know why, but I get a horrid feeling and change the channel as fast as I can, and I honestly don’t know what that means.
    I figured that there was something wrong with me.
    Kind of like I am not saved or something. For instance like I said I don’t cuss, or listen to illegally uploaded music.

    But I cant say I have changed all that much, I don’t make sex jokes anymore but I can still come up with one on the spot in my head, and despite the fact that I am against gay marriage ‘modern family’ is still the best darn sitcom on TV, and despite the fact that the bible says the only reason for divorce is ‘sexual immorality’ I still think getting the living snot beat out of you almost everyday by your spouse is a pretty darn good reason for divorce to.

    Is the fact that I believe these things proof I am not a good Christina or is the fact that I try to do what the bible says even if I don’t always agree prove I am a Christian.

    And like I said before I totally trust The Lord will keep his promise I just want to make sure I don’t screw up on my end. All I can do is cling onto the belief that that card I found at Arby’s was a sign.

    GOD BLESS!

    • admin says:

      I have not forgotten about you. I live in nc and I have not had any power for two days. I will write soon.

  21. Gladys says:

    O no prob, take your time. I understand life keeps you from things such as this. :) Hope your power is back soon. I remember being without power for about a week when I was a kid, we were trapped in one room of our house, and even went as far a buying a generator. Don’t remember why we thought it was a good idea to risk our lives on the road to go purchase on thought.

    • admin says:

      I do not have any idea where you live but I live in North Carolina and we had a terrible ice storm. I did not have power for three days and we do not have a generator. I could not imagine going without it for a week. Still hope that some way you can see the movie “Son of God”. It is so much better to see it on the big screen, rather than on a little TV.

      I cannot say for sure if you are saved or are a real Christian. I have given you a few suggestions based on biblical principles but you really need to get plugged into a good local church (even if it means a little drive). You can learn so much more by talking to a godly believer one on one. They could probably help you far better than I can in person and could talk to you about salvation and how to know if you are really saved. I am sure that you could get to know a godly Christian woman who could give you some counseling that might help you.

      If EVERY time a sermon comes on, you immediately change the channel, I might be a little concerned. I would ask you, Why do you do this? Is it the result of conviction or something else? Do you feel guilty or do you do this for some other reason. Only you could answer this question. I oftne change the channel because many TV preachers are not that good or teach false doctrine.

      In terms of divorce, there is a lot of controversy over whether domestic violence or spousal abuse constitutes biblical grounds for divorce. There are some issues that even godly believers who believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God cannot agree on. Some believe that spousal abuse (while wrong and while it would be correct to go to a safe place for protection in this situation) is NOT biblical grounds for divorce.

      One website from this viewpoint can be found at http://sbcvoices.com/is-abuse-a-biblical-grounds-for-divorce/. Others believe that spousal abuse IS biblical grounds for divorce. It looks more at the spirit, than the letter of the law. If adultery is a violation of the marriage vow, how much more is domestic abuse?

      One website that believes that spousal abuse is biblical grounds of divorce is http://cryingoutforjustice.com/2013/08/05/carl-trueman-and-todd-pruitt-believe-that-abuse-is-grounds-for-divorce/. The proponents of that view are solid evangelicals. I am not sure which view is correct. Both make excellent points. Hope this is of some help.

  22. Gladys says:

    Me and mom plan on going to the movies 2marow!

    And I do change the channel every time, and I do think its guilt.
    Though I am not sure why I feel guilty, at first when I was younger it was because it was just so darn boring was the reason I didn’t watch them, and if I had a question I couldn’t approach the pastor after and ask a question. I think maybe that’s where my guilt comes from maybe, because I find it boring and would just rather watch something else, and I think I feel bad about that.
    I mean I like Joel Osteen, but he makes it a little entertaining, he opens with a little joke, is good (in my opinion) at applying scripture to life, and he has a warm personality. Others are just so darn boring that I just don’t care to hear what they say.

    I think another reason I feel guilt is maybe because I find myself to be a hypocrite. Like I said in my last post I haven’t really changed that much, an example is what I watch, now I don’t watch anything like porno, or slasher movies, O heck no, but for example I love ‘Modern Family’ and ‘The Big Bang Theory’ Now these are just shows, yet I get so much slack for watching them when other Christians say they are anti Christian shows I guess I feel bad about liking them, I could stop watching, but that wouldn’t change my opinion of them being 2 of the best shows on TV, And I think that makes me feel guilty, or makes me feel like maybe I am not as good a Christian as I thought or not a true Christian at all or my opinion of them would change.
    And of cores there are other things that I am fine with that other Christians are not, and I wonder if that means I am inadequate, and watching Sermons on TV just makes me feel this guilt all the more for some reason. Maybe it is because when you watch a sermon the scripture is right in your face and all shortcomings just seam so much more apparent. And knowing that we all fall short of the glory of god doesn’t really help me feel better.

    Or maybe it is the fear of the unknown, a fear that someone will read a scripture about something else that is unforgivable and I will find it pertains to me, or something.

    But these are the only reasons I can think of.

    PS. Glad your power is back! I know it suck being without it!

  23. Gladys says:

    Saw the movie. FABULOUS!

    • admin says:

      Glad you were able to see. Glad you liked it. I thought you would like it. Did your Mom like it as well? In terms of your TV shows, I have a few comments. This is all in the realm of grey areas. Paul talked about this in Romans 14. You should read the chapter. There are some things that are not black or white. There is no explicit command to do or not do some things. Each one has to decide for himself, as Paul put it in Romans 14:5.

      I have had pastors say it is a sin to go to a movie. I do not feel that way at all. There is no verse in the Bible against it but if that is the way they feel, they should not go to a movie because it would be a sin for them. Anything that goes against your conscience is wrong to do, even if there is nothing wrong with it. Some think it is a sin to drink alcohol. It is not (as long as you do not get drunk). Jesus drank wine and even turned 150 gallons of water into wine (that is five bath tubs full of wine) but if someone feels that way, they should not drink at all.

      You mentioned two TV shows. I have only seen one of them. I saw part of the Big Bang Theory one time. I think my wife had it on. I thought it was hilarious, although I am told that parts of it are inappropriate. It is the kind of thing that each person has to decide for him or herself. It is not a big deal.

      Watching TV preachers may be good or bad. Some of them are biblical but many are not. I would not encourage you to watch Joel Osteen simply because he does not do serious in-depth bible teaching or preaching. What I am going to insist that you do (and I am going to sound like a broken record) is to go to church this Sunday. I can tell you for sure that this is God’s will for your life (Hebrews 10:24-25). I once heard a pastor say that if you do not have enough faith to go to church you do not have enough faith to go to heaven. Just a thought.

  24. Gladys says:

    O she liked it as well, as a matter of fact, it was her idea to go see in while in theater and this is an 89 year old woman (I mentioned she was really my great grandmother haven’t I?) Who finds absolutely no joy in going to the theater, plus she gets cold in the theater room. I was a little supprised she wanted to go, and a little proud of her to be honest. I cried, and I wouldn’t say this is a sign or anything but for the first time in a long time when I cried my eyes didn’t sting so bad I had to close them, when I cried I didn’t have any pain at all, and was able to keep watching the movie :)

    I totally see what you mean about Movies and TV shows!

    And you do not sound like a broken record at all, I understand the need to go to church, like I said though I don’t have a license, and the only one mom will go to is a Mormon church. There is a Baptist church right up the street mom told me I could walk up there though I am a little concerned that I may be locked out of the house when I came home. I mean she said it wouldn’t but I really don’t believe her.

    I don’t mean to be putting a person before god, but I don’t see how ruining my relationship with mom will help my relationship with god. Add that to the fact that I don’t really know what doctoring they practice it seams a little bit like a risk.

    Though I must admit the strange Mormon beliefs that so many dislike, have never been taught at the Mormon church we went to. Now don’t get me wring, not all churches are the same, I know some of those strange Mormon beliefs are practiced in other churches, but not in ours, so maybe I could go once and kind of test the waters and see how it goes.

    • admin says:

      That is interesting about your mother. My mother lives with me. She is 83 and I took her to the movie as well. I was wondering if your mother was still alive. Can you not get another key, so you do not have to worry about being locked out? That would solve that problem.

      All I can say is that if you are staying with your grandmother and she is 89, you need to get your driver’s license FAST. You do not know how much longer she will be living. That would solve the whole problem with your church situation. You can go to the Mormon Church but that it is not a place where the Bible will be genuinely preached from the pulpit. Just my opinion but I do not think that you will not learn the Bible there in any depth or substance.

      It is interesting that you mentioned having a good relationship with your grandmother. That is the topic of my Sunday School lesson this week. I will be talking about the Fifth Commandment, which says “Honor your father and your mother”. It will be up on the website by Sunday evening, if you are interested.

      I just dropped three of my kids off at their high school. I will not see them for several days. They are taking a bus to New York City. They will be in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade, performing with their high school band on Monday. Only fourteen high school bands in the country were invited to perform in the parade and my kids’ high school was one of them. Talking to you, I feel like I am writing to one of my kids. Have a great weekend.

  25. Gladys says:

    No no you didn’t offend me at all, I have just been super buisy, One of our girls gave a 2 week notice and we have been swamped more so than usual at work that’s all. LOL! I don’t know if your kids are back from there trip yet but I hope they are doing well, hope you and your wife haven’t been or didn’t I should say worried about them.
    As for me nothing really big to report really, I haven’t been worried as much about ‘IT’ though small sparks of terror creap up on me they dissolve fast, O and I took my driving test yesterday, totally failed :( Cry!!
    Apparently I had enough points to pass, but I did what I call a rolling stop at a stop sign, and they considered that running it, (I disagree) but there is always next time, there were a few other things that I goofed on but they are things that are easily corrected.

    And honestly I still deal with confusion about a lot of scripture but I try to read just a little bit at a time and deal with the confusion as it comes.

    But ya you totally didn’t offent me at all, and I had intended to wright about 2 nights ago, but it was 3 AM and I just wanted to sleep.

    • admin says:

      Good to hear from you. Glad I did not offend you. I was worried. My kids are back from New York and were completely wiped out after walking for so long. I told my son that he looked like he lost twenty pounds. He said, “I almost died”. He came home and went straight to bed but I think they had a good time, despite the cold weather there. I am so sorry about your driving test. I assume that you have a learner’s permit now and are driving with an adult. That is at least how it works in North Carolina. I have two kids left who do not drive at all but will be going to the DMV soon. Hope you have a good week.

  26. Gladys says:

    Aw man wish I could loose weight like that :(. But don’t worry about the test Ill get it, I did plan on passing but to be honest I was told by my mom and aunt that I probably wouldn’t this time and that I would at least know what to work on, I hate it when they are right. Hope your kids do well with there tests :)

    And I don’t know about the good week you should see the work schedule I have, ewwwwww. But I shall try. Hope you and your family have a good weak also!!

  27. Gladys says:

    Okay so I am going to apologize for doing this a head of time, but I have 2 questions about the same stupid problem, I was talking to my friend again and these questions were brought up so I just thought I would ask so I could tell him if this subject once again comes up. AGAIN!!(Memo to self get new friends)

    Ok so…you point out that the imperfect tens of the Greek word was being used in Mark. As you pointed out that means that this was something being done more than once, but could the fact that they used the imperfect tense in Mark just be Mark’s way of pointing back or referencing back to Matthew 12? How does the imperfect tens being used in Mark, show that this is something that would have to be done more than once?

    The other question is about idle words. Ok so I guess my friend was raised to believe that idle words would mean words that you say without thinking, even words you say by a slip of the tong. Was this an incorrect view of what idle words means, in the context of Matthew?

    I need new friends man, I really do. And I totally get if you don’t want to answer the question, I know these questions are darn near identical to the ones you answered for me a while ago, but different enough that I really didn’t have an answer.

    • admin says:

      Bless you. You are no trouble at all. Let’s start with the imperfect tense question. Tenses in Greek do NOT just say when something took place, as in English. They tell the TYPE OF ACTION as well. They refer either to simple action, continuous action or completed action. The present and imperfect tenses refer to CONTINUOUS action, not something that is done one time. The present tense means continuous action in the present. The command to be filled with the spirit (Ephesians 5:18) is a present tense command. It is something that we are to keep on doing.

      The imperfect tense means continuous action in the past. In Galatians 1:13 Paul said that he “was persecuting the church of God” before he became a Christian and tried to destroy it (cf. Acts 8:3; 22:4; 26:10-11). He uses the imperfect tense there. It is something that he did more than once. It was something that he did continuously before he became a Christian. If you wanted to refer to something that took place in the past and was not repeated, you would use the aorist tense for simple occurrence. Jesus opened (aorist) the scroll of a book and read from it (Luke 4:17). Greek tenses are pretty clear.

      Jesus point is that one day we will be accountable for every word we ever spoke, the idle words, the bad words, as well as the good words. If we are saved, the blood of Jesus covers every sin (cf. I John 1:9). However, his point in Matthew 12 is that the words that we do speak (good or bad) come out of our heart. “For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him”. I hope this helps.

      • admin says:

        This is completely unrelated to my last answer but I have question for you. Is there any way I could get you to go watch another movie that is playing right now? Last night, our family went to see the movie God is Not Dead. That movie is so good that you have to see is ASAP. It is even better than Son of God. You have to see it and you have to see it on a big screen. I went because my wife wanted to see it. It didn’t think it would be that good. It was incredible. Let me know if you see it or have seen it already.

  28. Gladys says:

    Wow work has been swamped that I didn’t even have a day off last week, and Im part time LOL! So I haven’t had time to really think and process what you answered yet but I am determined to get to it!

    I haven’t seen it but I totally want to go see that movie, I mean when I saw the trailer with the dude from Duck Dynasty in it, heck ya. But I don’t know if it is in our theater, Ill look. To be honest I didn’t even know it was out yet.

  29. Gladys says:

    “The present and imperfect tenses refer to CONTINUOUS action, not something that is done one time”
    So even in Matthew 12 it was being pointed out that this was something that they were doing more than once? Cuz he keeps talking about how the aorist was used in in Matthew 12. And I know when we first started talking you mentioned that the aorist was used. And he has come to some strange conclusion that Jesus was just showing mercy to the ones who said it in Matthew 9 or that something happened between Matthew 9 and 12 that made the words matter more. I guess he couldn’t see how it would be something done more than once, if the aorist was used in Matthew 12.I guess. I really couldn’t say anything to that cuz I thought the aorist was the same thing as something being present tense.

    And in Mark, it’s pointing out that this was something that they had already done more than once?

    As for the idle words, I get what your saying, but it doesn’t seam to make a lot of since when it comes to applying it to your everyday life. For instance think of someone in acting, if its in the script to call someone a jerk or a cuss word then what. I mean you would be saying the words, but the anger or hate or whatever wouldn’t be in your heart as it would if it were real life and you were really angry with the person instead of acting.

    Or like when we pull a prank on one another I look at my friend and I say “O you jerk” (sometimes a cuss word is used instead of jerk) I’m just kidding and she knows that and laughs along with me, But would my reasons and motives behind saying something matter, or would it merely be the fact that I said something rude or used a bad word that would matter weather I meant it to hurt the other person or not?

    • admin says:

      The Greek is very clear. It is cut and dry. It is not open to too much debate. One Gospel uses the aorist tense and one uses the imperfect tense. The tenses are different and do not mean the same thing. One means solitary action and one means continuous action. There is also no contradiction. One Gospel mentions what the Pharisees said on one occasion. Another Gospel mentions the fact that they said this at other times as well. There is no contradiction. Matthew does NOT say that this was the only time that they said this. The two fit together perfectly.

      You are right about words. You have to look at how they are used and what the intent is as well. I talked about this in my lesson on the Sixth Commandment at the very end of the lesson on Jesus and the Sixth Commandment and What did Jesus Mean?. Check that out when you get a chance. I think it helps to answer your question. Jesus is making a generalization about words. Hope this is somewhat helpful. Have a great weekend. Go see the movie!!!

  30. Gladys says:

    And see I guess he things the aorist means that it has to be a one time thing ever. He never seams to think that it just means they only did it once at that particular time. And I didn’t say this to him cuz I didn’t want to start a fight, but I was thinking at the time, if the aorist meant that it was one time only, then the instance in Matthew 9 couldn’t have happened.

    I think he may be afraid that he did this, he finally said he had had similar thoughts as the one I had.

    And were going to go see the movie next Friday, that’s when I get my check, I think it just came out yesterday in the theater where I live.

  31. Gladys says:

    Happy Easter!

    • admin says:

      Thanks. Same to you. Hope you and your family had a great Easter. It is my favorite holiday of the year. My wife’s favorite holiday is Thanksgiving. One of my pet peeves is going to church on Easter Sunday and NOT hearing a sermon on the resurrection. It drives me crazy but it happened again last Sunday. To me, it is one of the cardinal sins of a preacher. I saw another good movie – “Heaven is for Real”. You need to see that as well but only after you see “God is Not Dead”. They are very different kinds of movies but the first one is based on a true story. I know these movies can get expensive but they are worth it. Hope you have a great day.

      • admin says:

        Gladys:

        You still out there? I haven’t heard from you in a while. Just wanted to make sure you are still breathing and everything is okay.

  32. Gladys says:

    Hi, ya I’m still here sorry. I don’t know if I mentioned this but my monitor to my home computer died, so I had been using my laptop since forever. I recently got a new monitor so until tonight I hadn’t used the laptop for a while. I actually busted the laptop out again tonight to check this site to see what you had to say about The Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy commandment.

    I am actually going to e-mail this site to myself so I can find it on the home computer.

    Hope you and your family are all in good health. :)

    • admin says:

      Great to hear from you again. I was wondering what happened. Glad you got your computer fixed. Two of my sons work in the IT field but they do not live with me any more. They got jobs in Chicago and moved there. I hope the lesson on the Sabbath is helpful. I have a different approach than some on that topic. I will probably be starting the Book of Genesis in September. My newest post is from John 8 and is called “A Woman Caught in Sin” in case you are interested in that one. Have a great day.

      http://www.elonsmallgroup.com/a-woman-caught-in-sin/

  33. Grace says:

    I have been having really dirty and Nasty thoughts about the Holy Spirit but the thing is that I feel really bad once I realize them .I rebuke them and pray for forgiveness immediately and I have read many devotionals that are helping but I just want to confirm would I be forgiven??

    • admin says:

      You are forgiven based on I John 1:9 which says, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.”

  34. Grace says:

    Does this mean that as far as its just a thought it is not blasphemy

    • admin says:

      Basically yes. Blaspehemy in the Bible involves words, not just thoughts. The only passages in the NT which deal with the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit deal with spoken words and not just thoughts.

  35. Grace says:

    I have been having evil and blasphemous thoughts such as Jesus is a DeMon.i always link good things to sexual thoughts anytime am reading the Biblethe thing is that when these thoughts come I feel guilty and I ask for forgiveness immediately but the thing is that in Matthew 12:31 The Bible says that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven and JESUS KNEW THEIR THOUGHTSam I doomed forever did I blaspheme or was it just a bad thoughts? Would I be forgiven byGod?

    • admin says:

      You are NOT doomed forever. Just bad thoughts. It is not a sin to have bad thoughts. Satan sometimes puts bad thoughts in our head. The problem is not the thoughts but what we do with the thoughts. Martin Luther used to say that you can’t keep the birds from flying over your head but you can keep them from nesting in your hair. When those thoughts come into your head, simply replace them with the truth. Replace them with what God says. Read the Word and fill your head with Scripture.

  36. Aidan says:

    What I can say is this; if you can come to Christ, you can and will be forgiven. There is no scripture that denies the fact that if you come to Jesus he won’t cast you away (John 6:37). There being a sin which God does not pardon you for contradicts a variety of scripture. Is there a sin which makes it
    impossible for one to repent?

    Yes. Will the person who has committed this sin want to repent and be forgiven? No. I’m positive that if one confessed this sin to God then he can be cleansed from all unrighteousness and be forgiven (1 John 1:9). We need to realize
    that God doesn’t want any man to perish and all to repent (2 Peter 3:9).

    So if there was a sin which God denies pardon for when asking to be pardoned that contradicts what 2 Peter 3:9 says that he wants all to repent! God wants to forgive you! But if you continue to reject and resist Gods mercy, there will come a point where the lights shut off, the door closes. I think we can know for one reason why this sin isn’t committed in the snap of a finger is that the Pharisees in fact made the same accusation in Matthew 9:34 as in
    Mathew 12:24 and Jesus had not yet warned or condemned them.

    So we know that the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is never an act but more so a resistance against Gods mercy. A person who has committed this sin will never desire Gods forgiveness.
    I can say that yes a Christian can commit such a sin, but it becomes a continuous act and rejection against the Holy Spirit. Those who
    feel they have done something that God won’t forgive, all I can tell you is to take it to cross, confess it, beg for mercy, and mercy will always be given!

  37. Gladys says:

    True but I think the main concern is could blasphamy against the holy spiring be the exception to 1 John 1:9. I know some who think you wold want and ask for forgiveness but still not get it.
    I know it seams a little strange but there are sometimes when we find contradictions and exceptions in the bible that are hard to explain away, the example off the top of my head is like belief is all we need to be saved, its a universal given, yet the bible tells us that faith without works is dead, that makes it seam that even if we believe if we have no good deeds to go with it we still wont be saved. Im not saying thats true I am just saying its an example of what many would call an unhappy exception or contradiction. and many will apply that to blasphamy of the HS when 1 John 1:9 is mentioned.

    • admin says:

      You do realize that you responded to a post written by someone else here but I will give you my comments. I agree with you the the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit would have to be an exception to I John 1:9. If you could confess that sin and be forgiven, then the sin would not be unforgivable. In fact, any sin which is not confessed could not be forgiven either. That would make many unforgivable sins. This is not a problem or a contradiction, just an exception. However, this should not cause any concern, because there is no evidence that a true believer can or will ever commit this sin. It was committed by people who hated Jesus so bad that they wanted to kill him and made that statement (an outward reflection of an inner heart attitude) despite the evidence that was right in front of them (undeniable stupendous miracles performed by the Son of God while He was on earth).

  38. Gladys says:

    Um.. smething else to toss out there, I dont know if this is solid thinking or me just grasping at straws, but the bibe seams to be a little nit picky about some things so I know where the idea of it only being a matter of words comes from. I mean that is what screpture says, but if it was a matter of words then a lot of pastors, prists, bishops or whatever would probably be in searious trouble, I mean can you really preach from the bible and not mention this? I mean a man or woman in that position would have to tell there congragation what the pharaees said would they not? And we are supose to teach from the bible, so if it was a matter of words and words alone, I dont think it would have been put in the bible in the first place. Or surley there would have been a warning to those who preach to warn them of commiting this sin.

    Any thoughts?

    • admin says:

      I am not quite sure if I understand the question. Preachers and pastors who do their job to teach the whole counsel of God (and not just parts of it) will tell their congregation about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. They will also explain what the sin in the context of the passage (e.g. what the Pharisees were doing at the time). Unfortunately, many do not do this. They do not teach or preach the Bible in-depth. Preaching today in many churches is shallow and superficial. What is usually done is proof-texting. Many may quote the passage but not explain it in depth. Part of this may be due to laziness. In other cases, it may be due to ignorance.

    • admin says:

      Gladys:

      You say, “I mean can you really preach from the bible and not mention this? I mean a man or woman in that position would have to tell there congregation what the Pharisees said would they not? And we are suppose to teach from the Bible, so if it was a matter of words and words alone, I don’t think it would have been put in the Bible in the first place.” You are absolutely correct here. I agree with you completely. A preacher who reads what the Pharisees said is not guilty of this sin, nor is anyone who preaches on the blasphemy of the Spirit. It is not the words alone but the words which are a reflection of an inner heart attitude which are guilty of this sin, as Jesus says in Matthew 12.

  39. Gladys says:

    I have noticed that a lot of the time preaching is superficial, totally agree.

    But I didnt really have a question as much as an observtion. I mean I know there are a lot of things in the bible that are sins yet it dosent really make since as to why its a sin, an example would be tattoos, I cant imagin why on earth thats a sin, I just know it is.

    The observation was that I think one reason people worry that they have committed this sin is because they apply that type of thinking to this sin, people who worry they have done it think ‘it dosent make since that saying a few words is a sin but it is’, and that thinking leads people to worry if it is an exception to I John 1:9 The poeple who worry about this think that because if it really could be committed so easly then it would have to be the exception to I John 1:9 or else it wouldnt matter that you said it. And the thoughts keep going in that circle.and I think thats why it is so hard for people to find comphort from just being told they didnt do it.

    And the point I was trying to make is that its not a sin that you can avoid like you can avoid gettign a tattoo, its something that if you are a postor or priest or whatever if you are doing youre job right, you will have to tell youre congragation how this sin is committed if this sin was so easly committed then every religious leader who talkes about it would have committed it. I mean there really isn a way to tap dance around what the pharasees said wihtout confusing youre congragation. At least thats what I tell myself. Thoug I dont know if I have a good thought here or if its a weak explination.

  40. Gladys says:

    O sorry I didnt realize you had responded to both posts sorry LOL

  41. Gladys says:

    Wow I have read this article so many times and I am a little shoced that I ddint notice this before but you say in one part “Some have blasphemed the Bible which is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Some have blasphemed the Virgin Birth or (in more proper terminology) the virginal conception, a pregnancy which took place because of the Holy Spirit . The Holy Spirit overshadowed her”.” when you mention other ways of commiting this sin.

    But how would you blaspheme the bible or virgin birth? There are many who interpert the bible in different ways, or some who think that mary wasnt a virgin and that the virgin birth is figurative, that isnt the same thing is it?
    And I also notced that Jesus says blashemes aginst the HS and speaks a word against, why is there a clarification? Is blaspheming and speaking agisnt diffrent or is speaking against just a clarification if blaspheming?

    • admin says:

      Gladys:

      You asked two questions in your last post.

      1. Is there a difference between blaspheming the Spirit and speaking a word against the Spirit? There is no difference. It is another way of saying the same thing. They are parallel thoughts. This is clear from the passage.

      Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the BLASPHEMY AGAINST the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever SPEAKS AGAINST the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:31-32)

      And everyone who SPEAKS A WORD AGAINST the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who BLASPHEMES AGAINST the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven” (Luke 12:10)

      2. How would you blaspheme the Bible or virgin birth? I used those as modern examples because the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The biblical writers “spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (II Peter 1:21). Many terrible things have been said about the Bible by unbelievers and skeptics. They mock a book that came from the Holy Spirit.

      How did the Virgin Mary get pregnant? She never had sex with Joseph. Luke 1:35 answers that question: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born[e] will be called holy—the Son of God.” Some Pharisees in Jesus day mocked him and said that he was born of fornication (John 8:41). It is a form of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

      Is this the same thing as what the Pharisees did in Matthew 12? I am not sure. Many can mock the Bible out of ignorance. The Pharisees in Jesus day did not sin in ignorance. They had no excuse with the miracles of Jesus staring them in the face. It may not be exactly the same but it is a parallel.

      Another example of this would be non-charismatics who attribute all of the modern miracles in charismatic church to Satan. I thnk it is very dangerous to make an accusation like this, as many Baptists do. Some miracles may be demonic but you have to be very careful before ever making an accusation like this without any proof.

  42. Gladys says:

    had a conversation with my mom about what blasphamy was and she took it like a champ, suprising considering how nervous religion makes her, then she had to tell me of a story where her father and another member of there church went to someone elses church as guests and they claimed they could preform miracles I guess make tables movie or something like that and it was not a satnic church or anything like that . Well they could’nt because there was someone who did not believe among them, so of corse when her father and the man he was with left,they were able to perform the miracles. Then my mom says that was the work of ‘you know who’ and I just looked at her and asked if she had just really said that then asked if she had hurd a word I had said, I mean the bible tells us people shouldnt be able to do stuff like that so I dont think she blasphemed the Holy Spirit, but I am still so mad at her.

    • admin says:

      Gladys:

      I wouldn’t read too much into her comment but I understand your frustration. A better approach is to explain to her why some can still perform miracles today. God still does this. Jesus is the same “yesterday, today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8). Having said this, every person who claims to have this gift may not actually have it. That is where discernment comes in.

  43. Grace says:

    I’m afraid is saying curse words against the Holy Spirit the blasphemy against the Holy I AND ALSO THERE’S WAS A DAY i said MARy HADN’T HELPED ANYBODY HAVE I BLASPHEMEd THE HOLY SPIRIT

    • admin says:

      Grace:

      Not likely but I would need more information about what you did. Just about everyone who is worried that they have committed this sin, has not committed it. It is the exact opposite of the Scribes and Pharisees who were unrepentant.

  44. Grace says:

    I mean when someone uses a swear word against the Holy Spirit is that speaking against The Holy Spirit

    • admin says:

      I would say that this is something far more serious than saying one swear word against the Holy Spirit. The men who committed this sin wanted to KILL Jesus (Matthew 12:14). They HATED him and deliberately spoke evil of his good works which came from the Holy Spirit. They did this more than once and they were completely unrepentant. This does not describe someone who said a few bad words, feels sorry for them and is worried about being forgiven. The men who did this in the Gospels did not think that they did anything wrong. They were not “humble, broken repentant sinners. They are stubborn, self-righteous, heard-hearted, Christ-rejecting and close-minded” as I said in another post. Does this describe you? I doubt it or you would not be writing me about this question.

  45. Grace says:

    But then the Bible says we woUld give account for every careles Word spoken

    • admin says:

      It is true that we will one day give account of every idle word we have spoken. In fact, we will given an account of EVERY word that we have spoken, good or bad. That is NOT to say that this particular sin is an idle word. It is clear from the Gospels that the blasphemy of the Spirit was NOT an accidental slip of the tongue. It was not a casual comment.

      It was intentional and deliberate slandering of the undeniable power of the Holy Spirit displayed in the supernatural miracles of Jesus and it was not just done by anyone. It was done by the top Bible scholars who came down from Jerusalem (Mark 3:22). This was not a comment made by somone in ignorance who made an honest mistake.

      Jesus also made clear that this sin is NOT just a matter of words. He said in Matthew 12:34 that “out of the heart the mouth speaks” (KJV) or “the mouth speaks what the heart is full of”. If this sin was just a matter of saying a few words, then every preacher who reads Matthew 12 would be guilty of the same sin.

  46. Grace says:

    Thank you very much for the clarification. God bless you

  47. Jessica says:

    hey I’m really worry because I said I should said f*cken after that I said the name of the Holy Spirit with my mouth did I committed the unforgivable sin ? blasphemy against the Holy Spirit this happen after I read that verse of the bible since 2012 until now I’ve been suffering with this in my head also I when I read that the Jews called the sprit the devil and they attribute his works to him too I started having those thoughts in my head and everytime I would run to my mom and confessed it to her like mom I said the hs is the dem** and I think just by confessing that with my mouth for years since 2012 I’m 19 I think I’m going to hell and God is not gonna forgive me I’m very scare and depress all this happen since I read that story when Jesus mention that he’s not gonna forgive the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit on mark chapter 3 verse 20 to 30 please reply back to me when u see this message as soon as possible thank u !! and I also think that once I got mad at God and said those things out of anger too :(

    • admin says:

      Jessica:

      Bless you. You can rest assured that you have NOT committed the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. You do not have to worry about that. You would have to read my entire teaching on the subject to know why. A more important question is this. Are you saved? Do you know for sure if you are saved? I do not know your religious background. Have you ever accepted Christ as Savior? Do you attend a Bible-believing church? Are you in contact with other Christians where you live?

  48. Natsu says:

    I think this has something to do with the heart. Not thoughts or just words alone but the heart. Many a times I’ve noticed verses about “Jesus knowing thoughts” just as in the case with the Pharisees. I’ve also seen many worried about it, troubled by psychological disorders. Some during great stress and under bad judgments and finally some out of hatred and disgust and are really against the Spirit or any things of God. It would makes sense as why these who “truly” despises the spirit would not just once or wasn’t just a mistake but “out of the abundance of the heart”. They wouldn’t come to faith and strongly against it and have made a choice. They are proud of what they said and could care less contrary to those who didn’t really mean it and are worried about having committed this sin. It was out of their hearts of hearts. A permanent decision and will. I’ve seen blogs about those saying once its done or said it cannot be undone, saying it’s just a verbal sin alone. Blasphemy is rooted in the heart. Of course Jesus said what comes out of the mouth is what defiles a man but can it defile when the heart really isn’t in it?If what comes out of the mouth alone is just what makes one guilty then I’m assuming the mute would surely be blessed. Teach children about it and would it ultimately damn them?

    This sin is rare indeed and why is that? Because this is the only thing in the bible that hasn’t been much preached about. At least where I’m coming from.

    http://jamesbradfordpate.blogspot.in/2008/04/matthew-1222-37-blasphemy-against-holy.html?m=1

    • admin says:

      This is a sin of the heart but it expresses itself in words. Blasphemy is verbal. It involves a sin of the tongue but I agree completely with you. That is what the context of the passage is dealing with.

  49. Natsu says:

    Is there a difference between saying a swear word TOWARDS and AGAINST tge holy spirit?

    • admin says:

      I don’t think so. Matthew 12:32 says whoever sins against (the preposition KATA in Greek). Mark 3:29 says whoever sins toward or unto (the preposition EIS in Greek)

  50. Natsu says:

    Ok so please be honest.
    I have concerns about the unpardonable sin. I’m not so sure anymore. The time I did it was when I was young and I was crying. I did swore and used a F word. I did still curse Jesus and God Himself but never did I do so again with the holy spirit, thinking about it now maybe God shut my mouth I don’t know.(sounds like I’m making excuses) I can’t say it was ignorance. I roughly know what it was about though honestly speaking I dont know much about what the holy spirit is or what it does not that it matters. It wasn’t because I despise out of heart or is dead set out against the Spirit in anyway. My heart knows I don’t really meant it, it wasn’t out of abundance either or I would have done so many a times. I’ve always been struggling seeking God.I know it is a verbal sin, but does it counts when the heart really isn’t involved?After all blasphemy is rooted in the heart. What confuse me is that those who say if you have done it you won’t worry much about it and could care less about salvation or even Jesus. I do care, i long to be with Him, knowing Him now i even want more. What’s even more confusing is that those who have done it won’t come to faith as the holy spirit itself won’t draw you towards God or Truth anymore. Something about man won’t come unless The Father draws him to The Son. So Is The holy spirit still drawing me to Christ then? I couldn’t understand whether my blasphemy was taken seriously or was excused or whether I’m guilty of it. I couldn’t understand why now? Why would God makes me see the Truth about Jesus, only to show me that I won’t receive Him??

    • admin says:

      Before I try to answer your question, I need to ask you a question. What is your relationship to Christ now? Do you attend church in regular fellowship with other believers? Do you have a close relationship? Are you saved? If you are, when did you get saved?

    • admin says:

      Natsu:

      I am going to give you a quick answer to your question. It is obvious from your last post that you are seeking God. You wrote, “All I’m feeling is that I just want to run to Him and hugged Him close”. That does not describe someone who is running from God but running to him. It does NOT describe the Pharisees that Jesus spoke to regarding the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. They hated Jesus and wanted to kill him (Matthew 12:14). There was open animosity and hostility to Him to the point of violence. You are also absolutely correct that this is NOT just a verbal sin. It is a verbal sin which reflects an inner heart attitude, as is clear from the context of the Blasphy of the Holy Spirit (cf. Matthew 12:34). If this sin was just a matter of saying a few words, then every preacher who reads Matthew 12 would be guilty of the same sin. This is not somehting that you should be losing any sleep over but I would again strongly encourage you to be in regular fellowship with God’s people. Hope this answers your question.

      • Natsu says:

        While I don’t lose sleep over it. I sleep more so I tend to forget about it. I’d wake up with discomfort and worry going over through this, begging for forgiveness. “Voices in my head,no,thoughts maybe? Stuffs like give up, give up, fill yourself with hate, it doesnt matter, Your God has spit on your face. Jesus never died for you, He loves some, but definitely not you, if He had, you wouldn’t come close to this, if He wants you saved, you will know. He doesn’t care even if you will cry a river of tears, He’ll laugh as you cry, even if you lift up your filthy arms, He will cut your arms, Stuffs like you worm, you swine, even the sparrow has more worth in His eyes than you’ll ever be. Your pet is more precious in His eyes.” Is there someone whose going exactly or somewhat like this? I do really feel like giving up, sometimes I wish I could not believe in Jesus anymore but I honestly couldn’t.

        • admin says:

          It is obvious WHERE those voices come from. They do NOT come from God but the Devil. There is a difference between conviction and condemnation. One comes from the Holy Spirit and one comes from Demons. “There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Eveyr time you have those thoughts, you need to respond verbally with the written Word of God, just like Jesus did when he was tempted by the Devil. When you feel that way, quote Scripture. Replace the lie you are hearing with truth. That is what Jesus did when thrtee times He said to Satan “It is written…It is written…It is written”.

  51. Natsu says:

    I don’t know what my relationship with my Lord is to be honest. All Im feeling is that I just want to run to Him and hugged Him close, you know that child-like feeling when a child missed his father so much and just want to wrap around his father’s chest.Every day every moment whether watching tv or doing stuffs, I’d pray in my heart begging, longing, hoping sometimes it feels like I don’t even know what to pray about anymore. It feels like I’m losing my sanity. If I had known better how much He loves sinners like me I wouldn’t have cursed. It wasn’t because I hated Jesus that I cursed Him or spoke ill of Him, it was because I was desperate for the need of Him and feeling like He don’t want me. Now seeing the truth about how much he welcomes sinners, I’d teared up reading about how he welcomes those who are cast off, the lost sinners, like me. Anyway I love going to church sure there are those lazy moments. But I’d love hearing what the pearcher is preaching, no matter how sleepy I felt at church. I just want to seek the Lord, Truth, something.I just really want to be with Jesus. But now since I recalled those words I said when I was young, I’m scared of going to church again even though I wanted to. I wanted to see my brethren, I wanted to sing along hymns, I love it when we all gather along. Sometimes I wish Church is my home so I could be there everyday. It’s a great feeling to be with them, I do love them. I’d often feel sadden and let down when they ask me why don’t you come back to church. My church is so small, hardy 100 members.. As for being saved I dont know if I am. Most of my searchings for God was all alone struggling in sins. When I was young I hardly understand things. But when I got older I begin to understand His love, I’d often pray, still do. But now I feel as all is vain, like I’m losing hope but even so I couldn’t go a day without Him in my thoughts. I’d still pray in my heart even when I’m not praying. I’d still sing in my heart I’d teared up to my favorite hymns like pass me not, rock of ages, follow me, and many more that touched my heart. I can’t truly express my desire and my longings, all I know is that I’m really sorry for the sins that makes Him heavy on the cross, the sins that led me away from Him everything I said and done. Everytime I went astray, I’d always end up on my knees praying, I couldn’t even when I tried running away. There was a time I’ve completely ignored and “TRY”not care anymore but still I couldn’t, I’ve been brought down on my knees again. So I’m not really sure whether God still cares, I’m not really sure if it’s His patience and longsuffering, I’m not sure if my desire to go to Him is because God’s still is calling me, I’m not sure whether He still cares. If I’m not really saved then I guess it’s just what it is. Salvation is His alone.

    • admin says:

      Based on this explanation, it looks like you are genuinely saved. You have feelings for God that the unsaved do not have. You are seeking God and the Bible says if you draw near to God, He will draw near to you. On the other hand, there also seems to be a lot of confusion in your tone. You need two things. First, you need to be in regular fellowship with God’s people. Translation, you need to be in church each week. You need to be in a good church and not just any one. I do not know if the one with one hundred members does or does not fit the bill. Second, you need to find a godly person in that church that you can go to with your questions. There are answers in Scripture to all of them. I will try to addess the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in my next post.

  52. Natsu says:

    Keep me posted if possible. Thabks for your time and by the way I’m a member of the Church of Christ. It’s a pretty small Chruch. There are certain events when all other chuchers gather together though.

  53. Amber says:

    Hello, admin, I don’t know if you’re still active in responding to posts however I’m plagued with the fear that I may be guilty of the unpardonable sin. It is because it is a verbal sin.
    One day, I was experiencing OCD type blasphemous thoughts and I, being a perfectionist, tried to verbally *make sure* I wouldn’t say it the wrong way.
    I kept repeating to myself (in a chant like way), “The Holy Spirit is not evil”
    Or something along those lines and I ended up saying it opposite!! I remember, I was at work at the time.
    I was living in sin, living unequally yoked with a man for a long time.
    Then another time, one day I was half asleep and spoke something blasphemous again!!!

    I’ve been in torment since then. I tell God “you know those were not from me”.
    But at the same time I feel drawn to follow Jesus.
    Then I constantly tremble that our every idle/careless words will be judged and that can be condemned or justified.

    The only verse that offers comfort is where Jesus states that all that The Father gives Him will come to Him and whoever comes to Him He will never cast out.

    It’s true that they say if you fear you’ve committed it, then feel assured you haven’t committed it. It makes sense however how did they figure this from God’s Word?

    Im highly angered that those Pharrisees made up that sin against Jesus.
    I wish this was never said by Anybody!!

    • admin says:

      Amber:

      You have NOT committed the blasphemy of the Spirit. I could explain why in another response. You have nothing to worry about that sin. Are you saved? That is another question which I cannot answer. What is your current spiritual state? Are you a professing Christian? Do you worship God regularly in church? Are you still living in sin? I would be glad to give you better advice when I get a little more information.

  54. Amber says:

    Then what makes it difficult is that Jesus says from out of the heart the mouth speaks. I do not have hatred toward Jesus or God The Father. I want to be one with Them. I want the company and the filling of The Holy Spirit. I desire to spread The Gospel.
    Its true that our hearts are deceitful.
    I desire God and forgiveness. I feel im a worse sinner than anyone.
    I tell God I wonder if He believes me, that I did not mean those words. I dont want to wait until Judgement Day to know my eternal destination.
    I was living in fornication and there were roommates too. One roommate blasphemed God’s name daily and always spoke profane things. I think that evil spirits were oppressing me then.

    They say that seven demons can go back to a person?

    • admin says:

      What I hear from you is that you believe you are a sinner and want to be forgiven and to know if you are really saved. All of that is a good sign. You also have spiritual desires (to spread the gospel), which is also good. Have you ever accepted Christ as your personal Savior? When and how did you do this?

  55. Lynn says:

    My problem is basically the same as Ambers. Though I don’t go to church. Honestly I don’t like church, I prefer to gather in a small group or one on one with someone. I personally find you get more out of scripture when you do that. Though My problems started more like Gladys did, a thought I didn’t want growing into a huge life consuming problem

  56. Lynn says:

    By the way where would be the proper place to ask you about 1 timothy 2 8-15

  57. Lynn says:

    Sorry been so long since I checked back to this site. Sorry. Well the question is really simple though I don’t know if the answer will be. I find the answer to biblical questions rarely are. Is it really saying that women can not preach the bible. Or that she must never argue with her husband even when knowing he is wrong about something?

    • admin says:

      You are right the question is not simple. I do not have the final answer. I Corinthians 14:34-35 says, Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church” (NIV).

      I know very few churches that take this verse literally. Part of what is going on here has to be cultural. In the first century, women wore head coverings in church. They did not talk or ask questions.

      The principle of submission which this passage mentions is still in effect but the application of the principle may be different in the same way that we no longer greet one another with a holy kiss in our churches today, even though Paul commanded it in the NT. We would still obey the principle today but in a different way (hug or handshake)

      That is very different from asking if women can be pastors today. That is a completely different and more complicated question. Some churches tend to take passages like I Timothy 2:11-12 at face value. Some churches completely throw the passage out and have women pastors but if we do that to that passage, we could do it to any passage that we do not like (e.g., verses on homosexuality).

  58. Lynn says:

    Again it has been a while since checking this site. I am a woman but I personally have no desire to be a pastor or anything like it, but how broad of a statment is that? Woman should spread the word just as any man should we. Or mothers they should teach there children should we. Or is the passage strictley speaking of women holding a position in the church.

    • admin says:

      Non one that I know who takes the prohibition in I timothy 2 literally believes that women cannot teach at all. They believe that they simply cannot exercise authority over men but can teach other women and can teach children. There are many different viewpoints on this. Some churches have women pastors. Some churches do not have women pastors but have women elders. Other churches do not have women elders but have women deacons. I hope I have not thoroughly confused you.

  59. Lynn says:

    I do want to post a question on Blasphamy of the Holy Spirit. I know from the your blog I guess is what it is called that you feel that this sin is a verbal sin. Though I find that most of the time people have a blasphamous thought instead of just blurting something stupid out. So hypothetically if this sin could be committed by thought, Would your beliefs on weather or not someone had committed this sin, still be the same.
    While reading one of the last posts from Gladys, she stated that her mother said that years ago her own father went to a church who made tables or something like that move, I believe she said in her post that her mother said that having the power to do that wasn’t from god. From what I gathered from her posts over time her mother is a believer, so can a believer commit this sin by acciadent out of ignorance or no? After all we have no real proof that the Pharasees knew who Jesus was, weather they should have or not, and yet they were guilty of this sin were they not. Or were they, Jesus did say that whoever did it was in danger of a sin that has no forgiveness, could it have been a worning to them to not say it agian.

    • admin says:

      Your wrote, “So hypothetically if this sin could be committed by thought, Would your beliefs on weather or not someone had committed this sin, still be the same”. The answer is No because blasphemy is a verbal sin but the Bible teaches that what is in the heart often comes out in words, as Jesus said “out of he heart, the mouth speaks”. A bad thought, however, is not quite the same thing. This sin CANNOT be committed by accident or ignorance. Read some of the previous answers to questions where I clarify that point. The Pharisees had clear evidence of the power of God in the miracles of Jesus. It was undeniable. Since they could not deny them. They witnessed them. All they could do was slander them.

  60. Lynn says:

    K. I see where you are coming from. But what exactly does the bible say about our thoughts, or does it say anything about them? I personally have always thought that our thoughts are more honest than our words.

    • admin says:

      Jesus said that our thoughts come out of our hearts (Matthew 15:19). He said, “A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart” (Luke 6:45) He also said that words are an expression of our thoughts.

      He said “out of the heart the mouth speaks”. The mouth speaks what the heart is full of” (Matthew 13:34 NIV), so words are often a reflection of our thoughts. What we are thinking comes out in words. If we are angry or depressed on the inside, it comes out in words, as well as actions.

      In one sense, thoughts are more honest than our words, as you say. God knows our thoughts. We could say one thing and think something else. On the other hand, we are not responsible for every thought that comes into our head. Some of those thoughts can come straight from Satan. He can tempt people with evil thoughts. Hope this helps.

      • Amber says:

        Hello, admin.
        Yes, I do believe that Jesus Is The Son Of GOD and the Messiah.
        I believe that The Father sent His Only Begotten Son to die for our sins and that He rose from the dead 3 days later.
        He IS seated at The right hand of The Father.

        I found this page once again and am now able to respond.
        This is what greatly concerns me.
        When Jesus says what comes out of our mouths is a reflection of what’s in our hearts. And also, every idle word spoken, that our words can either condemn or justify.
        One day at work a few years ago, i was constantly writing and saying in my mind, “The Holy Spirit Is Holy” over and over and other Truths about Him,
        because i was afraid of committing a sin such as this and tried to make sure NOT to commit it, that it became OCD in nature.

        i was dealing with attacking thoughts against my Lord from the enemy (still am) until, as i was walking, when i opened up my
        mouth, the exact words the pharisees said came out mine!

        i was so devastated. Then time afterwards, one night, i was half asleep / half awake that those words came out my mouth again!
        which led me to think i needed deliverance.

        i fear The Day we have to give an account of ourselves.

        The only verse that provides hope is John 6:37 (KJV)
        All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

        I want to come to Jesus, will He reject me?
        the verse also states those whom The Father gives Him will come.
        Does this mean im one of those whom The Father has given?

        Please pray to our Father before responding.

        • admin says:

          You have not committed the unpardonable sin. We will be held account for every careless word but that does not mean that careless words can’t be forgiven. They can. The only one that can’t be forgiven is the unpardonable sin and that is not an unintentional or accidental slip of the tongue. It is deliberate and willful like the Pharisees were doing. It sounds like what you are experiencing is clearly demonic. Satan wants you to think you have committed this sin to give you no hope. I would encourage you to have other believers pray for deliverance. Are you in a good local church?

          • Amber says:

            Hello, and GOD bless you for responding!
            i, too, know that im being severely under attack. im having difficulty believing Jesus will forgive ALL of my sins.

            I strongly desire Matthew 5:6 (KJV)
            Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

            I need to find a church where my brothers and sisters are but i want to make sure it’s a biblically sound one. i surely desire deliverance and freedom!

          • admin says:

            Bless you. I will keep you in my prayers for your deliverance and for wisdom regarding a local assembly of believers. It is God’s will for you to be in a group of godly believers who will support you. Any way I can help, let me know.

          • admin says:

            You said that you have trouble believing that God could forgive you. I found a sermon that I would like you to listen to. It is located at the following link – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKSofu9YlyQ

            It is a little slow at first but what he has to say in the crux of the sermon is POWERFUL. It is life-changing. One of my sons brought it to my attention once. I really think it may help you.

          • Amber says:

            Thank you, i will view the video you have posted!
            and about a church, i went to one today, called Spirit Filled Ministries, however, im not quite sure if this is where i should be?

  61. Amanda says:

    It’s been a while but this is still relevant. Some part of me is always pushing the limits, which is terrible because I heard about the unpardonable sin and some part of me started saying evil stuff I didn’t believe about the Holy Spirit. I know He’s not evil or any of the things I called Him but it felt too intentional. Do you think I can be forgiven if I said things pushing the limits but I didn’t mean them against the Holy Spirit? I just said some stupid things I shouldn’t have said? I pray and pray but I feel like I cannot repent, and I’m worried I have committed the unforgivable sin.

    • admin says:

      You do not have anything to worry about. You have not committed the sin. It is not an accidental sin. In the context of the passage, this was done deliberately by the Pharisees. It was not something that they said but did not mean to say.

  62. SLR says:

    Hello admin. I am sorry for not leaving my full name but I learned long ago that I shouldn’t do that LOL.
    Now I have suffered from a serious fear, I guess you could call it an irrational fear. I decided to contact you because my experiences are similar or in some cases identical to many of the others who have posted on this site.
    My first experience with this sin was when a friend of mine {who I no longer have contact with} were talking about forgiveness. I said that it was comforting that we can be forgiven for any sin if we just ask for forgiveness {If we mean it of course}. And he mentioned that there is one sin that has no forgiveness. Well that sucked! As soon as I heard this I looked it up so see if what he was saying was true, and Lowe and behold there it was in Matthew 12.
    And like many who worry about something, it soon became the only thing on my mind. I kept repeating this mantra, “Don’t do it, Don’t do it” So of course I did it. Or thought it would be more accurate. Now this is where my situation is similar to the first person who responded to your post, I thought the exact words that the Pharisees said. “Jesus got his power from…..” Well you know how the thought ended. I refuse to post it.
    I went into a tail spin! I even tried to explain my situation to others and of course I had to tell them what I had said, so then I had spoken the words which let me tell you Did. Not. Help. At. ALL!!!!! So I was convinced well if I hadn’t done it before I had now!
    Now I have read Matthew 9 and found some hope in it but the fear would always came back.
    I know that Matthew says that from our heart our mouth speaks, so I guess my question is, is it always condemnation to hell for saying such a thing? Or would our reasons for saying these words matter to? As you said, a pastor or priest would be guilty of this sin if it were just a matter of saying words, but how do we know that GOD makes such a distinction? I mean there are many things in the bible that by our human standards would seam unfair or cruel, but they aren’t by GODs standards.
    Thank you and I am sorry for such a long post :)

    • admin says:

      Sorry for the delay. You have nothing to worry about. Thoughts come into our mind which are demonic. We are not responsible for every thought that we have.

      You are worried that you had some bad thoughts or said some bad words. This situation in Matthew 12 is much more serious than that.

      The real question is this: If Jesus were on the earth today, healing people left and right and raising the dead right before your eyes, would you think that his power came from Satan? Would you slander his miracle working power? Would you want to kill him like they did?

      If you can say YES to both questions, you might have something to worry about. I don’t think you would think or say these things. I believe you would probably fall down an worship Jesus and not try to kill him like they did.

      That is why it is so important to look at those words of Jesus in light of their historical context. Are you a professing Christian? Has he ever saved you?

  63. SLR says:

    I think I am a professing Christian. I honestly don’t know. I want to be saved and I fear hell clearly, but sometimes my faith is much smaller than a mustard seed.

    • admin says:

      Do you have a clear understanding of the gospel? Do you understand how to be saved? John says that all who receive Christ become the children of God (1:12) and all who believe in him have eternal life (3:18, 16). Has there been a time you have acknowledged that you are a sinner, personally received Christ and asked him to save you? If the answer is YES, my next question is, Are you involved in a good local church where you live? Do you attend it regularly? Are you in regular fellowship with other Christians in your area?

  64. Aaron says:

    I have a sickening problem now. It started like this…
    I have been able to picture faces or things under my eyelids. Usually better in light rooms. I`ve pictured Jesus a few times and I had not so long ago wanted to picture him after I asked a question in prayer. I managed to picture his face quite decently and heard my own voice in my head answer the `no` to my question. This was worrying, but confusing. Then I saw this same thing multiple times, but I came to suspect more and more that my mind was playing tricks on me. It became obsessive overtime rather fast, the only time that it seemed to be remotely possible to have come from God was the first time and perhaps the first three. But, I knew that there was evidence to the answer yes to my question. Solid evidence. And I just kept on finding evidence to the contrary. I had asked God a lot to tell me if that image and the voice were from him. I remember asking it very emotionally at one point, and I had a realization that made the answer yes to my question grow significantly. I thought for sure it was from God (because I have never had a manifestation of God ever. God almost always talked to me through realizations and the world around me exterior of me). I recalled that I had directly wanted to picture God and that I could picture him even more vividly then that one incidence. I realized it was easy for it to have been just my mind playing tricks and I made the mistake. I became convinced that the devil was playing a trick on me. I don`t remember exactly what I said, but it revolved around: I know these were of (you know who) or: I know now that (you know who) was playing tricks on me. I was convinced but I did not know 100%. I had been searching the Bible and the internet to consult the matter and I saw the passage about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. As far as I have researched, committing blasphemy against manifestations of the HS is what it would be if I was wrong. That meant, if I was wrong about what I said, then I cannot be forgiven. And I considered again that the answer might be no to my question. Though I have no proof, I worry about it. God never has appeared to me before, I feel confused and angered by this now. That God would not forgive a mistake of my judgement. Is this just a trick of my mind because I was so focused on that question?

    I’ve looked up what that was and I got the answer that: ‘It is almost certainly personal interpretation and the structure of the eye, that I am interpreting light signals on the back of the eye’.

    I had willed these images, but I often question wether or not the Holy Spirit might have spoke through them. That, too, was another question. Who would have spoken or used my thoughts to tell me that. God? Or God through the Holy Spirit?

    But it means, if the answer to my question was yes, then this thought/voice was not telling the truth. As God cannot lie, I would be fine. I looked this up to verify and found that God can ‘decieve’ (withholding the truth) for certain periods.

    I was angry with God that he might have withheld telling me wether or not this voice was true and ALLOWED me to blaspheme. And I commented again on the voice saying: “it wouldn’t be deciet, it was a lie”
    I realized what I was saying after a few seconds and blurted out: “but only if it were not true!”

    And now I have to think to myself that if I have a spontaneous thought, and I say something against it, and it were to ever be the Holy Spirit…

    http://www.vincentcheung.com/2012/06/07/blasphemy-against-the-holy-spirit/

    This man’s words did not help. Though I can say I find a lot of what he has said illogical themselves, I know I cannot know that for sure. I ask you to please help me know. Because if it is more than just the works that can be blasphemed, then that means that every thought, every man claiming to be of God, or a spontaneous thought one thinks is God but is more likely to be simply just a spontaneous thought. Or any tiny thing that just MIGHT be of God but that one logically sees the opposite more likely or not knowing even in the first place who that was. It makes testing the spirits a minefield.
    Does this mean that a slip up as well provokes God’s anger? Or even someone who has misspoken.

    This all comes from the fact that Jesus didn’t just say blasphemy against the HS, he said speaking against the HS.

    How correct is it then for this person to say how “easy” it is?

    • admin says:

      Aaron, I have a few simple observations from your situation.

      First, when God appears to you or speaks to you, you will know that it is God. If Jesus appears to you, there will be no doubt about it. Everywhere in the bible where God shows up, everyone knows it.

      Second, making an error of judgment is not the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The case in Matthew 12 does NOT deal with that situation. Jesus performed incredible miracles in front of the Pharisees.

      They could not deny them. The only thing they could do is to discredit them because they hated Jesus. That is different from someone who makes a bad statement out of ignorance or incomplete information.

      Third, it might be a good idea to get counseling from a christian counselor or pastor to answer any additional questions you have about your experience. A local person in your area might be able to further assist you in a way better than I could online. Hope this is some help.

      • Aaron says:

        It isn’t that simple, because I don’t know. All I can say when I saw it was that it was surprising. The last place I asked about these said: the images you are seeing are almost certainly a combination of the structure of the eye and personal interpretation. Your eyelids are not perfectly opaque, so especially in a lighter room, you might still get light signals hitting the back of your eye. At the same time, blood pressure and pressure on the surface of the eye often cause “noise” in the optic nerve. In normal lighting, this is invisible. When there is nothing else to see, this might look like swirls, colors, patterns, and so forth. How you choose to interpret those has a lot to do with personal thoughts and preferences.

        I caused that to appear, but how do I know God did not speak through it? Nowhere in the Bible does it tell me wether or not this has any validity. There are even websites dedicated to help you try to know if you are hearing God, Satan, or one’s own thoughts. Not even this helps.

        I thought about what if it weren’t true what was said, but still was from God. There were parts of the Bible where he held back the truth.
        I got angry that it might have been some test and said it wasn’t deception, but instead that it was not true. After a few seconds I had blurred out “-if it were not true”
        I wasn’t even trying or thinking to blaspheme, I was just mad that it might be an occasion of him withholding the truth.

        I think what if the parts of the Bible where it says the blaspheme are simply as hard said as they mean. That the site like with Vincent Cheung is right, and that the uplifting sites like these may be incorrect or ‘false hope’ as is worded. I am hateful to this thought. That any case of ‘reviling, speaking evil of, and railing against’ from the Greek translation means even a mistake or saying it without meaning it the way it was worded are of eternal condemnation. I simply now just want to find the yes answer to my question and not ever talk about the Holy Spirit in any regard.
        I remember hearing stories of near death experiences of Jesus showing people hell. And the tormented people who even still scream out for forgiveness. And only to be replied that it is: too late.

        And it is monstrous, to try and amend your mistake, to serve and Love the Lord and ask forgiveness constantly. And be thrown away from heaven regardless.
        It is written that the Lord will not turn away anyone who seeks him. But like the one author of the article you reviewed from that Gladys linked you to: ‘No unforgiven sin can enter heaven’. If scripture means just that, that what I do does not matter and it is so rock hard in it’s meaning in ‘speaking against’ and blasphemy, then I might be doing the same asking for it in torment without Christ to bring me out.
        These people in this nde didn’t repent and for blasphemers it would not matter.
        I do want to be forgiven, and to be with God. I do not remember a day I haven’t.

        He knows what is in my mind, so he will know that not a day would go by where I would not attempt to climb out of hell to go back to God, and to shove away anything that tried to stop me.

        But with the problem I have I may have to. The possibility that these ‘images’ might be of the Holy Spirit or God, and the voices along with. They might just be thoughts, or straight from God.

        And there is not hardly anyone else that I know of with a fear of committing the blasphemy quite as dangerous as this.

        That is the what haunts me the most about it. I need to ask, how I can know, without doubt, without the slightest doubt, that I can look in the Bible with the Greek translation of the passages detailing blasphemy, that God will save me from this mistake? Otherwise, I can only look for the evidence and hope that voice was wrong after all.

        • admin says:

          Before I respond to your last post, I need some more information. How old are you? What is your spiritual state. Are you a genuine Christian? Have you ever accepted Christ as Savior? Do you currently attend a good church on a regular basis? Do you see other believers on a regular basis for fellowship?

  65. Aaron says:

    I am fifteen. I don’t understand what you mean by spiritual state, but I can say for certain that I never recall God, or Christ, or the Holy Spirit ever audibly or mentally speaking to me outside of realizations and God acting through the world around me.
    Spiritually I am confused and mortified. I am baptized, I receive communion and I talk to God on a near daily basis. I need to go to church more, but it does not hinder my wanting to speak and be with God.

    I most often meet other believers here on the internet, if you mean people who I converse with religiously.

    • admin says:

      Wow. Can’t believe you are fifteen. I am fifty-four. I have five kids. My youngest is just a little older than you (senior in high school).

      Before I say a few things about your main question, I just want to make sure that you are saved and have an assurance of salvation. It is possible to pray, go to church, take communion and still be lost. Do you know for sure if you were to die today that you would go to heaven?

      The Bible teaches that we are all sinners. We are born sinners. We sin everyday. It also teaches that God is holy and must judge sin. That means that we all deserve Hell.

      It also teaches that God loves the world, which means that he loves us individually. He loves us as we are, not as we should be (because none of us are as we should be).

      Jesus died on the cross in our place as a substitute for our sin and rose from the dead. God offers eternal life to all who receive him personally. However, it is possible to know all of this and not accept it.

      You may be deadly ill and have a pill that can save you life and you may know all about its healing powers but, if you refuse to take it, it does you no good. You must ask Jesus to save you.

      Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans 10:13). Once you do this, you can have an assurance of salvation. You can know without the slightest doubt that you are saved, because God promises eternal life to all who believe. God never lies. Once you do this you are forgiven of all of your sins.

      Two basic observation about your previous post. You view of God is not quite correct. God does not play games with people. He does not withhold the truth form anyone who genuinely seeks him. If you draw near to him, He will draw near to you (James 4:7).

      Second, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not some mistake that someone blurts out by accident out of ignorance, as one of your posts implies. If you read the passage, it may sound like that on the surface but whenever you read the Bible, you always have to look at the CONTEXT of the passage.

      Many fail to do that. That is NOT the type of sin the Pharisees committed in Matthew 12. It was a different kind of sin. What I am saying is that you have absolutely nothing to worry about when it comes to this sin.

      You have not committed it. One rule of thumb is that conviction comes from God. Condemnation comes from the devil. Whenever you feel like there is no hope from you, those feelings do not come from God. Sorry for the long letter. Hope it helps.

  66. Aaron says:

    I ask God almost daily for the forgiveness of my sins. This was the only thing left. What I have been wondering now is, would that image have even been from the Holy Spirit. If it was Christ appearing and speaking, can I say it would simply be that?
    The second time I had thought I had done wrong was when I was angry with God saying that the words wouldn’t be deciet but would be untrue. Yet I did not mean to blaspheme even then. I had said afterwards though to finish: “if it were not true”.

    This seemed closer to what I didn’t want to commit.

    Then there is Vincent Cheung, the things he wrote. Which don’t fail to remind me that God means what he says. His yes being yes and his no being no.

    Also, I like the longer letters for informativity.

    • admin says:

      Aaron, I have a son who has the same name as you. I finally did get a chance to look at the article by Vincent Cheung. I had not read it before. I see what is causing you some problems. Mr. Cheung and I have very different views on the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

      I have studied the topic for almost thirty years. He believes that it is a casual word and can easily be committed, because Jesus said “every careless word men will give account.” That is true but He did NOT say that every careless word is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

      The reason I strongly disagree with Mr. Cheung is the CONTEXT of the passage. The only people every said to possibly commit this sin were the Pharisees. We know exactly what they did immediately before Jesus gave this stern warning

      It was not a sin of ignorance or an accidental utterance but one that was intentional, deliberate and slanderous. That point is indisputable. That is why there is absolutely nothing you need to worry.

      You also wonder if the image was from the Holy Spirit and if Jesus actually appeared you. I am not saying this was not Jesus but, as I said before, if Jesus appeared to you, you would know it. You would not have to wonder. When God shows up in a supernatural and miraculous way, it is undeniable.

  67. Aaron says:

    Apologies, this is just a username. My name is Nick.
    The other thing I am wondering was if it was Jesus, it would not have been in reference to the Holy Spirit because I referred to “this voice” or “those voices” in reference to my image of Christ. Or that (you know who with horns) was trying to trick me.

    Either way, I don’t think it’s possible that the Holy Spirit could have come as Jesus. Even Jesus himself said he was not a Spirit! John 24:37-39. Would that not have meant if God truly wanted to tell me something Jesus in and of himself to speak to me as all those other people have?
    Even with documented cases today of Christ appearing to people. Is that not Christ himself?
    I don’t remember an audible voice, it was a mental one just out of the blue. But it was the exact same one that I was thinking with. I don’t always think with my own voice if I am talking to myself about something. But I remember the voice I heard as that image appeared sounded strikingly similar to the one I had been using to think.

    I also recall being quite calm before I saw it, not so much after though.
    But I don’t remember having extremely incredible peace. Frankly, I had to be reasonably calm whenever I was trying to picture anything like that at all.

    I remember reading through, the Holy Spirit is said to be the giver of dreams and visions, and to be my contious and morality. Yet this image was only limited to the black and white colors we all see under our eyelids. You say I would know if it was Christ and I notice it wasn’t extremely extravagant. There were two times I remember when they were the most clear pictures of Jesus was when I saw him the first time and then at a time later. There was no speaking the second time. A couple times I thought I saw the face as sad. But this was both of those times as well.

    As time progressed, I had a few times where I was not calm and found it near impossible to picture Christ to verify where they were coming from. Then it just became the constant repeating of the same words multiple times over and over during prayer or even thinking about it. Even once after I had prayed hard for forgiveness after fear I had committed the blasphemy.

    So it led me to think the only ones even remotely plausible to have been of God were the first four or five. The ones that didn’t appear to become an obsessive compulsion.

  68. Aaron says:

    The worry is how strict God really is and how straightforward. But for the things that are far from clear like my experience, I do not see how God can tell us to “test the spirits” and not be lenient with mistakes. Even that near death experience, all those people in hell were ones that did deliberate acts. Then I look at Cheung’s page and the apparent “easiness of committing it”.
    His definition is irritatingly loose to the point of illogic.
    But even Christ himself said “THE blasphemy”.

    That means that all of those stories of those teenagers that have obsessive compulsive disorders. Where they read that sin and accidentally say it without meaning it. If any preacher speaks of that verse. If anyone makes a mistake in testing the spirits, does this mean it is so easy? If Cheung were to preach the verse and it were to be blasphemy or do any of the above, I can only imagine how quickly his words might change.

    He goes on to say that it doesn’t need to be a deliberate offense and refers to Paul because he indicated he was a blasphemer. But even Paul said afterwards: Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in IGNORANGE and UNBELIEF. 1 Timothy 1:13.

    Cheung seems to cherry pick his evidence.

    But the insinuation that it is possible to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, or that it might be that easy is the most worrying.
    I wonder if there is biblical evidence to the contrary of Cheung’s accusations. Something about his arguments seem weak and that is a hopeful sign.
    And what I meant above is, I sometimes can hear the voice without the image. And it became compulsive. One of the reasons I ever dared to say it might not be God.
    But the other thing I am wondering is would what I have done be blasphemous?
    Is it Jesus who appears by God’s power? Or by the Holy Spirits?
    And if it truly was Jesus then would it not have been a blasphemy against him instead.

    • admin says:

      You won’t believe this but I have a son named Nick too. I have five kids and four of them are boys. You are right about Cheung. He quotes I Timothy 1:13 but if it proves anything, it proves too much.

      The verse says, “Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.” That verse has nothing to do with the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

      As I pointed out in my last post, the context of Matthew 12 is NOT dealing with someone who commits blasphemy out of ignorance. It is dealing with something entirely different.

      If Paul was a blasphemer of the Spirit, he could not be saved. He definitely is saved. Prior to his conversion, he was a blasphemer of Jesus, which is different.

      You are correct that an appearance of Jesus to you (if indeed it happened) is not the same thing as the Holy Spirit appearing to you. You are correct that the Holy Spirit does not appear as Jesus.

      I would love to have Jesus appear to me supernaturally but have not had the privilege. I will see Him in heaven.

  69. Aaron says:

    The thing that also bugged me is that some people reported seeing the Holy Spirit in visions. Some said he looked twin-like next to Jesus except for the white hair that flowed outwards. I definitely don’t remember hair flowing outwards. Perhaps the white color, (that, too could even have been the light hitting my retina) but I could look at that image and say “This is a picture of Jesus Christ”.

    My worry is that the Holy Spirit had anything to do with it. But I know I said something on the basis of it being a trick of (you know who down below). Or these voices or those voices being of you know who. Jesus said the job of the Holy Spirit was to convict us of sin. As well as to show us visions and manifestations. But I am wondering if this was one of his visions, even if not a manifestation of himself.

  70. Aaron says:

    “God reveals himself through the power of the Holy Ghost. Now when he does that if the person who he has shown himself to denies the vision or other manifestation they have sinned against the Holy Ghost. That is the only sin for which you cannot be forgiven from thus damnation is made sure. Thus the chance of damnation is very high for those who have seen God or talked to him. God realizes that faith is a more sure testimony than such a manifestation so he has to have a great reason to show himself to someone”. This was one of those examples. This was an answer to a yahoo.com post entitled:
    “Why does God appear to some people and not others?”
    This is now what I have to be afraid of.

    • admin says:

      As I said before, I cannot say whether your experience was real or not but I do believe that if it was genuinely supernatural, you would not have to even ask. You would know innately. No one can have an encounter with the living God and be unchanged. If you have any doubts if this came from God, I believe that this is something God will reveal to you, if you ask Him in faith.

      I would be wary of seeing the Holy Spirit in a vision. God is a spirit and so is the Holy Spirit. He does not have a body. Spirits are immaterial. When the Holy Spirit took on a physical manifestation in the Bible, He took the form of a dove at Jesus’ baptism. Jesus is the only one who came to earth, became incarnate and took on a human body, which He has to this day.

      You quoted a post that said, “God reveals himself through the power of the Holy Ghost. Now when he does that if the person who he has shown himself to denies the vision or other manifestation they have sinned against the Holy Ghost. That is the only sin for which you cannot be forgiven from thus damnation is made sure.”

      This post is inaccurate. Denying a manifestation of the Holy Spirit is NOT the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. A person can reject the Holy Spirit and not commit the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, every person who has heard the gospel and rejects it once could not be saved. Wish I could be more help.

  71. Aaron says:

    You are very good help for me, and I am very grateful for that. I thank you for your patience with me, I have had many overbearing fears about things out of my control in the past. This one has and always will be the worst of any of them.

    The other thing is that I see certain places state that Jesus now speaks through the Holy Spirit through the Bible. But…what does the Bible say about Jesus talking to human beings like myself? Is it Him only? Or Him through the Holy Spirit?
    Some even state that the Holy Spirit and Jesus became one.

    I had read that Satan can disguise as an angel of light, that he has at least some capacity to influence us even if he cannot read our minds:
    https://thelife.com/is-that-you-god
    I had also received other mental pictures of people of muslims around when I had pictured Jesus. It was strange, and it wasn’t even intentional!
    Though that too was something I had been bugged by with the most recent attacks on the news.
    Then there was the one picture I had unintentionally of Jesus distorted or with the unholy numbers on his forehead.

    Whatever I don’t want to think about or have been made uncomforted by, that’s the first thing to pop into my mind on certain occasions.
    These were some of the reasons I didn’t trust the picture of Jesus. I became convinced that Satan might have been messing with me.
    That is why I either said in prayer to God:
    I know now these voices are of (you know who)
    Or: (you know who) is playing tricks on me.

    Even as I thought it more likely it would’ve just been of my mind.
    I realize now I had no right to open my big mouth without more evidence if it were (you know who with horns).
    I had asked God over and over where they came from. I thought he was giving me more fuel to say ‘yes’ to my question and that God was trying to tell me that it wasn’t correct and that these words were dismissed.
    It does me no good to try and recreate hearing God in my mind, because I keep hearing the same old thing that may have gotten me into serious trouble.

    Or it being “too late”.
    At least I’m not alone to know some of your other readers have had similar chilling repeations of that phrase. Or discouraging ones at least.

    Yet, now that I do not know still, I ask God’s forgiveness for my stupidity.
    But would not Jesus be the one these came from? Is the Holy Spirit really his mouthpiece? Or is the Holy Spirit an aid to my hearing so that I may hear?

    http://www.piney.com/HsComPau.html

    And the one that says: “The Son speaks to us today through the Holy Spirit in the Bible”
    http://www.challies.com/christian-living/how-does-god-speak-to-me-today

    I worry that if I said negatively about the voice, that it references the Holy Spirit. Or there being tricks from (you know who) . I’ve seen places say the Holy Spirit is even one with Jesus. But Jesus said he can be blasphemed separate from the Spirit.

    But what if that changed?

  72. Aaron says:

    The one other thing I can consider is if I myself had pictured that image and Jesus spoke through it. But was that Him? Or him through the HS?

  73. Aaron says:

    I was worried the answer to my question would truly be no, when I heard that voice. I shouldn’t have called it what I did. I read that Satan can appear as an angel of light. When I got the evidence that made this voice seem almost the only evidence left to the contrary, I looked up on it. I never said it was of (you know who) until I had so much evidence and to realize it was more likely to have been of my mind.

    I didn’t want that voice to be true, but I only said it was of (you know who) after I had rechecked enough to say the voice might more likely be something my own mind made up. But I know if I knew it was Jesus I would’ve never said it. It was wrong of me to say it was of (you know who). But I said it because I thought God had told me something else as well. I never even considered the Holy Spirit being behind it. I thought it would be either Jesus or either my mind.

    When it became obsessive I didn’t think it could be of God, that the only one of those images with any credibility was the first. But even that one I wanted to picture. That I could’ve easily been thinking that voice.

    But I know now I was incredibly wrong to say something being of (you know who) without completely evidence to it being so. I should have instead said it was being of my mind. I looked at a few things that said Satan can appear as an angel of light. But I don’t remember anything being conclusive.

    I worry that I might have said it because I didn’t want it to be so, but I know that I would never say it if I knew it was truly God. I thought so much that it wasn’t true that I dismissed it as something else. I was ignorant, but I know that I still don’t know where that voice came from, that in my heart I would NEVER call something of God’s anything else if I knew it were truly him. I never even thought of the Holy Spirit in regards to this voice.

    I ask forgiveness constantly for it but I worry still. I thought it being just repeated assertions of my mind. I worry I might have opposed it like the Pharisees, but this wasn’t anything like that. This was something I could imagine and had evidence against, theirs was undeniable. I thought my mind was just repeating empty assertions to me.

    I want God to forgive me for it. I said something evidence-less and ignorant, but I would never try to say anything like that knowing it was God. I had thought of the possibility it was still Jesus but saw the evidence again, and how it could be a product of my mind. And I read about Satan appearing as an angel of light.
    I said something ignorant and I want to know God forgives me.

    • admin says:

      Nick, Sorry for the delay. I have been extremely busy. I would say it is unlikely that Jesus would speak through an image you conjured up.

      One of the Ten Commandments deals with images. We are not to make images of God. God is invisible. Jesus was a man but we do not know what He looked like, so it would be wrong to imagine Jesus in your mind.

      On the other hand, you said something out of ignorance, which you said that you would never say if you knew it was God. That is the key. It is PROOF that you did not commit the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

      That was not a sin of ignorance in Matthew 12. You can trust that you have been forgiven and need to stop torturing yourself about it. I would not give it any more thought.

  74. Aaron says:

    Also…did the Bible ever say Jesus spoke from the Holy Spirit? Or in any way that he said that calling Jesus or God untruthful is unforgivable? I still need to consider a few other things. Or would that have possibly been the Holy Spirit causing Jesus to appear?

  75. Aaron says:

    I had a slip of the tongue where I had said in prayer: May I never commit the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit again.
    I meant to say not ever instead of again. I know I’m probably overthinking this part and I will have dismissed it later, but would even implying it by mistake have any effect? I even told God five times I misspoke, but I want to make sure.

    Then I ask this totally separate from that question. I wondered if the Holy Spirit could have possibly spoken to me and the image was of Jesus and tight-lipped. But, I ask myself why God would. It would seem unnessecary.

    Thank you so much for the help.

    • admin says:

      I am not aware of any verse that specifically says that Jesus spoke by the Spirit but the Bible does have a lot to say about Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

      It says that Jesus was full of the Holy Spirit (Luke 4:1). It says that He was led by the Spirit (Luke 4:1). It says that He was full of joy through the Holy Spirit (Luke 10:21)

      He performed miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:28). He was anointed in the Spirit (Acts 10:38). He was given the Spirit without limit (John 3:34)

  76. Aaron says:

    There was a second time I thought I had committed this sin.
    There was someone on a chat board I was with, and she was talking highly perversely. She/he was saying her father was abusive in the most wrong way possible. But she was saying it as a very sick joke. She went around with the name: drug dealer. And saying things to me like (what she really said was quite worse): *confound me*.

    She said finally *my body is a temple*. I said: yes, of Satan. I wasn’t completely serious when I said it, but I had because the things she was saying were just flat out wrong. She even agreed with me saying quote on quote *yes I worship Satan*. I felt regrettable saying it afterwards. I remember the passage saying the Holy Spirit values the believer as a temple.
    But I wasn’t trying to say it in regards to who was with her spiritually. I was saying it in contrast to her actions.

    I worry though, if she has ever been Christian and I accidentally insulted the Spirit. The Bible says the Holy Spirit never leaves us.

    • admin says:

      I do not think you have any reason to be concerned here either. The body of believers is a temple of the Holy Spirit according to I Corinthians 6 but it does not sound at all that this woman was a believer, if she went by the name “drug dealer” and admitted that she worshiped Satan. The kind of life she lived demonstrated who she worshiped and it was not God.

  77. Aaron says:

    But this was the internet, she could have been lying. She could have been a Christian once.
    I had a strange feeling right before I sent those three words. I don’t remember if I was regretting it the second before I was writing it or I was still worried about the first time I might have committed the sin. Afterwards I realized what I might have said. I fear that I might have said something knowing it was wrong. But not even then was I trying to. The only reason I ever said it was because of the vile speech.
    She wasn’t being by any stretch acting or saying anything the Holy Spirit would. I didn’t have any intention either though of insulting the Holy Spirit.

    I only remember regretting it after rereading the context. The only thing I was referring to was her immoral words, not wether or not she had the Holy Spirit.

  78. Aaron says:

    I remember feeling odd about it about a second before I sent it off. But I was never aiming for the Holy Spirit, I was aiming for her. I know I should’ve listened to myself before I sent it, but I knew I was only referring to her. I felt like I did something I knew was wrong, but I wasn’t intending once to speak against the Holy Spirit. It was only when after that I saw I might have said something relating to that.

    That is why I am worried.
    But it says in the Bible: “he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
    ‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭ASV‬‬
    I ask for forgiveness from God frequently now.
    I dont know why I ignored that feeling before I sent it, but I know for sure I wasn’t aiming for the Holy Spirit. I made a mistake, and I have told God I would never say anything like that again.

    • admin says:

      It should be of some comfort to you to note that there is a world of difference between what you describe taking place here and what the Pharisees did in Matthew 12 in response to a clearly supernatural miracle of Jesus which was undeniable and incontestable.

      They could not deny it, so they slandered it to discredit it. It was not a mere mistake. they did not merely misspeak. What you did is not in the same category as their sin in any way. it is completely different.

  79. Aaron says:

    Talked to her again, asked if she ever believed in Jesus. Or baptized.
    She said no and nope, never.
    Then proceeded to say she accepted the infamous German leader of world war 2.
    That she was Jewish…then she proceeded to talk against the Jews.

    My worry is that she is lying, or that she once believed in Christ. Even as a child. Because now she is just pulling my chain and I don’t know what to believe out of her mouth. Though, I don’t know many people who would have believed and not said: I did once but not anymore.

    • admin says:

      You have absolutely no need to worry about this. Your friend says that she does not believe in Jesus. She says that she is not baptized. She also makes anti-Semitic comments.

      According to the NT, words are just a reflection of the heart. What is on the inside comes out on the outside or, as one country preacher put it, “What’s in the well comes out in the bucket.”

      Jesus said, “You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.” (Matthew 12:34-35)

  80. Aaron says:

    Is it extremely easy to receive the Holy Spirit? The worry I had was that she might have believed once before. Even if he/she really was Jewish.

    • admin says:

      Salvation is by faith but the Bible teaches that there is true and false faith. James says that faith without works is DEAD. It is completely useless. It saves no one. People who claimed to believe at one time and made a profession of faith at some time in the past but have no change in their life are not saved and never were.

      A changed life is the way to determine the difference between true and false faith. Even if your friend made a profession of faith in the past, it is clear by her life that she is not saved. People who profess God with their mouth but deny him with their life, as Paul says, are not saved.

  81. Aaron says:

    What about where Paul mentions people recieving the Holy Spirit before they were even baptized?

    • admin says:

      What exactly is the connection with your situation? Just trying to understand the connection before I can answer the question.

  82. Aaron says:

    If he is a liar and was born into a Christian family. And believed once for a time.

  83. Aaron says:

    The Bible said the Holy Spirit would never leave someone.

    P.S. I apologize, I looked back through the conversation that person and I had had. I had asked if he accepted Jesus as his savior and he said no. When I asked if he believed in Jesus, he said hail (you know who)

  84. SLR says:

    Hi again. Hope you are doing well. okay so B of the HS I know that Blasphemy is basically saying something bad about someone in order to ruin there reputation right? If so I’m guessing that this sin is not just verbal but could also be committed by writing a nasty article that says the same thing the Pharisees said. I have seen such an article online though I did NOT read it thank you very much. So I assume that is why some think this could not be committed by thought, because a thought cant convince others of the horrid rumor you are spreading about someone. Personally I do think it could be a thought if you really believed the thought. But if it could not be committed by thought then why do people say that taking the lords name in vain in ur head as a thought is just as bad as saying it out loud. Or is it?

    • admin says:

      Interesting point. In the context of Matthew 12, blasphemy refers to words, not thoughts. That point is indisputable. However, Jesus also says in the same chapter that words are merely expressions of inner heart attitudes that one has. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. If someone has thoughts to this effect, they no doubt will some out in words some day. Words are just a reflection of the heart.

  85. Aaron says:

    I’d like to give a large thanks to the author of this page again for helping me. I know I might be back with more questions.
    But I wanted to say you have helped me quite a lot. It’s been a rough time in my life.

    God bless you!

  86. William says:

    As I can see you get a lot of questions about this, so I figure you could help if you are still active on this site. Just a little back ground on me. I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young. I’ve been through some rough times recently (namely pornography and sickness in the family), and I looked to the Bible for comfort. Then I came across the verse mentioning the unpardonable sin. Since I have been into pornography I have been trying to get out to no avail. I ask so many times for a way out no matter what. I liked to place verses about forgiveness as wallpaper on my phone. I searched for one on the internet to find the unpardonable sin. I was concerned that I had done so due to curses against God that had crossed my mind. I later found out that what had crossed my mind was not the unpardonable sin. Fast forward about 2 weeks (my time may be off). I decided to look at the passage again for reasons I can’t remember. I read the passage, and in my stupidity did not take the warning seriously. Curses once again swarmed my mind (I honestly do not remember what all they were, but I’m scared it could have been thoughts similar to what the Pharisees said). I remember having an absolute feeling of despair come across be, and I became upset once again. After this I can remember feeling this sudden strange feeling that I can’t describe. Was that the Holy Spirit leaving me? I want to be forgiven more than anything, but can I? I’m afraid it was me that thought those thoughts because I wasn’t thinking strait for a bit. I fear that I’m my stupidity I though the unpardonable sin. This sparked a dark spiral of thoughts in my head. I met with the youth minister at the church, and we discussed it. He said that the unpardonable sin was attributing the work of Jesus to Satan. I agree with this definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I remember I felt relieved by his words, and went on; however, the worry was not all gone. Again with the dark spiral of evil thoughts. One thing that particularly crossed my mind was (I do not want to state the first thought it because the phrase alone scares me) “Insert phrase that says the glory of God was actually the glory of…….you can guess” then I thought “maybe it was” then “oh gosh no no no that’s not true”. Then despair came across me. Again the dark spiral of bad thoughts. To this day I have not found genuine lasting peace. I don’t remember the vast majority of my thought, but I’m almost certain that one of those evil thoughts was me commuting the unpardonable sin. I still despise myself to this day for my stupidity in that moment following my reading of the unpardonable sin chapter a 2nd time. How could I have been so stupid as to loose reverence for the word of God, and not take it seriously. I am almost certain that because of this I have committed the unpardonable sin. For the past 6 months or so I have been living in a constant state of fear that I committed the unpardonable sin. I can’t believe I thought those things, and I hate myself for it. I’m afraid what I did was kinda intentional (but without meaning). Let me say I do not agree with those thoughts, but I’m afraid I allowed them to enter my mind because I was just plain stupid (or done in the heat of the moment). Honestly I’m not sure if I knew 100% what I was actually doing. I just kinda happened. I didn’t think about it. I’ve been researching this topic a lot, and I have come across so many interpretations. I do agree with the idea that the unpardonable sin is giving Satan credit for God’s work. I am terrified, and scared out of my mind. Not a day has gone that I haven’t worried about it. I’ve lost 21 pounds, been depressed, and most importantly I’m afraid of my spiritual condition. To this day I’m having crazy thoughts, and I’m scared I’m entertaining them. I also don’t feel convicted like I use to (if at all). Or is my fear of committing it conviction? I don’t agree with my sin by an means, so don’t get me wrong their. I’m also having a hard (if not impossible) time feeling God’s presence. I have spoken with the head pastor of our church, and he believes that if such a sin could be committed today that I have not committed it simply because I’m worried. He is also convinced that God has a big plan for me, but I’m afraid God has given up on me. Can I ever get out of this worry? Could this sin unsave me? Does it mean I wasn’t saved to begin with? I want to come to Jesus more than anything, but I’m afraid he won’t accept me. I’m afraid the desire to come to Christ is from me, and not the Holy Spirit. Have I committed the unpardonable sin? Do I have hope, or am I hopelessly condemned? Is the Lord going to reject me?

    • admin says:

      Dear William:

      Thanks for the letter and sharing your heart. Salvation cannot be lost. I have some comments for you about your fear but first I need to get some more information. How old are you? You say “I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young.” Tell me how you got saved? How do you know you were saved?

  87. William says:

    I am 16 (so perhaps I should have said when I was younger). I don’t remember much about it, but I do know that the way I acted was unusual for my age. All I really remember was a dear family member dying somewhere near that time, and me realizing death was something everyone must face (at least physical death). Basically put I realized I need Jesus, so I wanted to give my life to him. I would also like to add I fell away in middle school at some point; however, I rededicated my life to Christ, and if I wasn’t sincere when I first accepted Christ I was then. I’ve always just believed I was saved because I trusted in Jesus. I can remember a couple instances where I could feel that peace that surpasses understanding. I’ve always believed 100% I was saved. That is until now.

    • admin says:

      Let me reassure you that you have NOT committed the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Your youth pastor is absolutely correct. Jesus said that “all manner of sin and blasphemy is forgiven men” (Matthew 12:31). You can curse God and be forgiven.

      You can even blaspheme God and be forgiven. In fact, the Apostle Paul said that he used to be a blasphemer (I Timothy 1:13). This is very important for you to understand. The negative thoughts you have do not come from God but from Satan. God brings conviction to people. Satan brings condemnation.

      When you feel a voice inside you condemn you, quote the words, “all manner of sin and blasphemy is forgiven men” (Matthew 12:31). You can also quote “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out” (John 6:37).

      Both statements are words of Jesus. Jesus promises that if a person comes to Him in genuine faith, He will not turn him away. In fact, in Greek, it is a double negative which means that He will never ever cast that person out. It is used for emphasis.

  88. William says:

    What is your opinion on me not feeling the same way as I use to?

    • admin says:

      While it may not be the only reason, a large reason why you do not have peace right now is that you are worried that you have committed this sin.

      As you said, you have lived in constant fear that you have committed the unpardonable sin and it is a false fear. Is your depression medically based? Have you been diagnosed for depression or is this not a medical issue?

  89. William says:

    I think my family has a history of depression, but I have not been diagnosed. What would your advice be to breaking free of this fear?

    • admin says:

      My first step would try to rule out a medical diagnosis, especially if you have a family history. I know people in my church who went to the doctor and found out they were bi-polar or manic depressive, began taking medication and are night and day different. I do not know if you are in that category or not but it is definitely worth looking into. It is nothing to feel bad about. I had a heart attack a year ago and almost died. I survived by God’s grace. Now, I take all kinds of medicine for blood pressure and cholesterol and feel great.

  90. William says:

    Ok thank you for the advice. I do want to know soemthing tho. How can I know 110% that I have…..
    1. Not committed the unpardonable sin
    2. True repentance (as in my repentance is legitimate and not fake)
    3. A true relationship with Jesus Christ
    4. A home in heaven
    5. Hope

    • admin says:

      You get hope, when you get the first four items on your list. We have already dealt with the first topic. You have not committed it. If you lived in the first century and saw Jesus heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons, would you attribute that work to Satan? I seriously doubt it.

      The only people who would were people who wanted to kill Jesus in the first place. A home in heaven comes with genuine salvation.

      If you acknowledge that you are a sinner, deserving Hell and have turned to Christ to save you in authentic faith, you are saved. If you ask Jesus to save you, He will. He turns no one away.

      Having a true relationship with Christ is a different thing. You can be a child of God and not close to God. Salvation and fellowship are two different things.

      The way to have a true relationship with Christ (as you put it) is to talk to him every day and let him talk to you. I did not learn this until I was in my 50s. I never really understood prayer. Now I get it. Jesus said shut the door and pray to your father in heaven. You need privacy.

      Get up in the morning and pour out your heart to God. Talk to Him like you talk to your best friend. Tell Him every one of your fears, concerns, and joys. Whatever is on your heart, share it with God from the depth of your heart.

      Once you do this, you will eventually get into a habit and look forward to this time. It will not be something that you do to check off. It will be something that you actually look forward to. Of course, you need to add spending time in his Word and time with his people.

      This is a big topic. I may not have answered everything but this is a start. You can follow up with whatever questions you have.

  91. William says:

    Sorry for the long delay. Life has been a little rough lately. I have another question. Is it normal to go through phases in your life where you feel as tho God has abandon you?

    • admin says:

      You must be out of school now. You gave me an easy question this time. Jesus said, “I will NEVER leave or forsake you” (Hebrews 13:5). He said, “I will be with you ALWAYS” (Matthew 28:20). These are PROMISES. Your question is key.

      it normal to go through phases in your life where you FEEL as though God has abandon you? Yes. It is normal. However, we should not go by our feelings but by God’s Word. God’s Word is true, even if it contradicts our feelings.

      If you are a follower of Christ, Jesus is with you. He is called Immanuel in Isaiah 7:14 which means “God WITH us.” Of course, every time you go through something hard it seems like Jesus is not with us.

      I went through a period when I was unemployed for a year and half and had five kids to support. It seemed as if God was not with me and not answering my prayers but he was with me all of the time.

      The disciples were in a boat in a very bad story and thought they were going to die but Jesus was with them in the boat. Hard times and trials do not mean that God has left us. Read the Psalms. They are a great comfort.

      • William says:

        Funny enough my Sunday school class is doing a study on Psalms. I don’t know that it’s just hard for me to imagine that I could be forgiven for such an awful though crossing my mind. Sure I don’t agree with it, and I shot it down seconds after; however, I still feel guilty. Is a passing though sin tho?

        • admin says:

          All thoughts are not sins. Sometimes Satan puts thoughts in our head. It is only acting on those those thoughts, agreeing with those thoughts or encouraging those thoughts that make them sin. Martin Luther used to say that he could not keep the birds from flying over his head but he could keep them from making a nest in his hair.

  92. David says:

    Hi all, so I’m just gonna jump right in here. I have on many occasion thought wrote about and spoke the words that the Pharisees said.
    Now when I did these things it was intentional when I first thought it it was kind of a surprise though but I think I thought it of my own free will I’m not sure. I remember being surprised when the thought struck me yet I think a small part of me thought it intentionally just to make sure the floor wouldn’t fall out from under me if I did.
    since then I have written and spoken the words the Pharisees said in order to ask about it or explain it to someone but my question is does it matter if you did it intentionally or does the reason you did it make it matter. For example, me trying to explain it vs someone saying it to do whatever the Pharisees were trying to do by saying it.

    I know you have probably had a question like this, but there are so many questions it made more since to me to just ask my own.

    • admin says:

      The answer to your question is YES. It does matter WHY a person says this. CONTEXT is key. This sin is NOT just a matter of words. Jesus said in Matthew 12:34 that “out of the heart the mouth speaks” (KJV) or “the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.” If this sin was just a matter of saying a few words, then every preacher who reads Matthew 12 in church would be guilty of the same sin.

      On the other hand, it is not just a matter of saying something intentionally. One could make this statement intentionally out of ignorance. That is NOT what is going on in Matthew 12. They made the statement deliberately and intentionally but out of full knowledge and with malice intent. They wanted to kill Jesus. They hated him. They wanted to slander him. It is not only the words but the motive and the context in which the words are spoken. Does this make sense?

  93. David says:

    Ya, that makes sense. I guess it’s just hard for me to imagine people dedicating their life to the Lord then doing something like that intentionally. I think thas why its so hard for me to understand what makes is unforgivable for them, I just don’t get why they would do that knowing how he was. They were So stupid!

  94. Jennifer says:

    I accidentally said something today I didn’t mean to say what I said. A coworker who goes to church asked me me a question and then let out a loud cackle of a laugh. I said that she sounded like a demon then I realized what I said and she replied that she was. Have I committed this sin?

    • admin says:

      No. If you read Matthew 12 in its context, it is clear that the ones who committed this sin were the Pharisees because of what they said about Jesus’ miracles. Their statements were not accidental but intentional and deliberate. They hated Jesus so much that they thought of the worst thing they could say about Him and they knew it was false. It is not dealing with an accidental slip of the tongue.

      • Jennifer says:

        Thank you for your reply. I’ve been dealing with a fear of committing this fear for about 3 months now. My pastor at my old church mentioned it but really never explained it. My aunt said that it was when you said that god wasn’t real. When I was younger I was really confused about his existence. I’ve searched the internet trying to find the answer.

        • admin says:

          You can rest assured. you have not committed the sin. How old are you? You said you are confused about God’s existence. What are you confused about? Is there any way I can help?

  95. Jennifer says:

    Thank you I appreciate you talking to me. I’m no longer confused about God. I know now he’s real. When I was younger I went back and forth in my belief. I’m 35 now. I lost my dad a year and a half ago. He was saved and I believe he went to heaven.

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